Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]

SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

[philman_36]

Show where "Local prohibitions continued around America for centuries."
The Georgia colony prohibition didn't last ten years, much less centuries.
Cite some more local prohibitions and their longevity, not limitations.

[tpaine]

Inane reply.
I begged no question, just stated a fact.
-- You are becoming quite insane on this issue roscoe, - take a break.

[philman_36]

Even your much vaunted link states...
The organized temperance societies set legislators into motion to pass prohibitionary laws. Thanks at least in part to the presence and activities of these societies, the Oregon Territory enacted the first prohibition law in 1843, but it was repealed in 1848. Maine was the first state to have a prohibition law in 1846, but this legislation was defeated several times throughout the next decade. Delaware was the next state to enact a prohibition law, followed by New Hampshire, Vermont, and Michigan. At the end of the 19th century, six states carried prohibition laws.
What happened between 1733 and 1846? I don't count 1843 'cause Oregon was still only a territory.
I'll give you a clue...The Three-Tier System
From 1750 to 1870, there began a call for temperance.
Temperance, not prohibition, though some prohibition was enacted!

[philman_36]

And isn't it ironic that Howard Hyde Russell was a "reformed" drinker...
Early Years of the Anti-Saloon League
Snip...Now a reformed drinker, he decided to change careers and become a minister in the Congregational Church.
Reformed into what?

[philman_36]

A temperance poster on display in the museum which uses two of the popular themes running through Anti-Saloon League literature - patriotism and the welfare of young people. To view more Anti-Saloon League Literature visit the Digital Archive of the Anti-Saloon League
The same game being played today..."It's for the children."
It worked once, why not use it again.

[philman_36]

I rather like the "Bone Dry" and "Walking the Plank" cartoons.
A never ending issue.

[philman_36]

Georgia
Snip...Georgia was the only colony of the thirteen that received financial aid by a vote of Parliament -- the only one in the planting of which the British government, as such, took a part. The colony differed from all others also in prohibiting slavery and the importation of intoxicating liquors. The settlers were to have their land free of rent for ten years, but they could take no part in the government. The trustees made all the laws; but this arrangment was not intended to be permanent; at the close of the proprietary period the colony was to pass to the control of the Crown.
Snip...Oglethorpe was governor of Georgia for twelve years when he returned to England. In four respects the settlers were greatly dissatisfied. They wanted rum, they wanted slaves, they greatly desired to take a hand in their own government, and they were not content with the land system, which gave each settler but a small farm that must descend in the male line. In all these points the people won. On account of these restrictions the colony grew but slowly and at the end of eighteen years scarcely a thousand families had settled in Georgia. The people claimed that the prohibition of liquors drove the West India trade away from them and at length the prohibition was withdrawn.
(not the complete paragraph...see site)

[philman_36]

Well? Beg that question!

[philman_36]

I don't know what Roscoe is, diaBOTical machine or not, but informed isn't one of them.

[Ben Bolt]

You guy's will continue to make the constitution to suit the lung capacity of the interest you have I guess . It still is not a living entity no matter what any of you do with it .

[tpaine]

You have a point? Refute the article, - or one of our positions, whatever.
Making a generalized statement about a 'living constitution' is just being a knee jerk.

[philman_36]

It still is not a living entity no matter what any of you do with it .
I don't think the Constitution is "a living entity" as it says what it says and it should be upheld, not interpreted.
Don't cut me in with the herd of those that do, it's disingenuous of you.

[Ken H]

During those various prohibitions, was it illegal for anyone to either possess or manufacture alcohol for personal use?

[philman_36]

During those various prohibitions, was it illegal for anyone to either possess or manufacture alcohol for personal use?
I can't answer that offhand with assurity, I'd have to look into it.
As an offhand response...THE EIGHTEENTH AMENDMENT AND THE NATIONAL PROHIBITION ACT
Snip...The amendment does not directly prohibit the purchase or possession of alcoholic liquor for beverage purposes. Nor does the National Prohibition Act prohibit the purchase for such purpose, although prohibitions against purchase are contained in many state laws. "Section 25, Title II of the Act does expressly declare it to be unlawful to have or possess any liquor or property designed for the manufacture of liquor intended for use in violation of the Act, or which has been so used and makes such property subject to confiscation. Section 33 provides that after February 1, 1920 the possession of liquor not legally permitted shall be prima facie evidence that such liquor is kept for disposition in violation of the law. This latter section excepts from its operation liquor in one's private dwelling, while the same is occupied as his dwelling only provided such liquors are for use only for the personal consumption of the owner thereof and of his family residing therein and of his bona fide guests when entertained by him therein, placing the burden of proof upon the possessor to prove that such liquor was lawfully acquired, possessed and used.

THE VOLSTEAD ACT
Medicinal alcohol??? And people scoff at the concept of medicinal marijuana! HA!
SEC. 6. No one shall manufacture, sell, purchase, transport, or prescribe any liquor without first obtaining a permit from the commissioner so to do, except that a person may, without a permit, purchase and use liquor for medicinal purposes when prescribed by a physician as herein provided, and except that any person who in the opinion of the commissioner is conducting a bona fide hospital or sanatorium engaged in the treatment of persons suffering from alcoholism, may, under such rules, regulations, and conditions as the commissioner shall prescribe, purchase and use, in accordance with the methods in use in such institution, liquor, to be administered to the patients of such institution under the direction of a duly qualified physician employed by such institution.
All kinds of stuff could be done with alcohol if permits were aquired.
I would have to look into the other prohibitions to see what they entailed and I'm not real sure if that info can be found on the net. I'll try.

[Roscoe]

such things as dry counties don't constitute a prohibition.

More doublethink.

[philman_36]

Michigan Reconsiders Drug-Lifer Sentencing 70 Years after the "Life for a Pint" Law
Snip...In 1927, the Michigan legislature revised the state criminal code to require that "habitual offenders" must serve mandatory life-time prison terms. Being slightly more lenient than the popular "three strikes" laws of the 1990s, the 1927 law defined habitual defenders as those who had committed four felonies. Under Michigan's state Prohibition law, possessing alcohol was a felony. Any person who had committed three felonies, whether alcohol violations or other crimes, was automatically sent to prison for life if he or she was caught with as little as a pint of an alcoholic beverage.

[philman_36]

More doublethink.
More mumblings. Did you say something?

[Roscoe]

Cite some more local prohibitions and their longevity, not limitations.

You're really giving your Newspeak a work out.

[Roscoe]

Temperance, not prohibition

Even Orwell would be astounded.

[philman_36]

Even more mumblings. Are you attempting to say something coherent?