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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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To: Roscoe
Show where "Local prohibitions continued around America for centuries."
The Georgia colony prohibition didn't last ten years, much less centuries.
Cite some more local prohibitions and their longevity, not limitations.
361 posted on 01/16/2003 7:28:30 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
Inane reply.
I begged no question, just stated a fact.
-- You are becoming quite insane on this issue roscoe, - take a break.
362 posted on 01/16/2003 7:30:03 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Even your much vaunted link states...
The organized temperance societies set legislators into motion to pass prohibitionary laws. Thanks at least in part to the presence and activities of these societies, the Oregon Territory enacted the first prohibition law in 1843, but it was repealed in 1848. Maine was the first state to have a prohibition law in 1846, but this legislation was defeated several times throughout the next decade. Delaware was the next state to enact a prohibition law, followed by New Hampshire, Vermont, and Michigan. At the end of the 19th century, six states carried prohibition laws.
What happened between 1733 and 1846? I don't count 1843 'cause Oregon was still only a territory.
I'll give you a clue...The Three-Tier System
From 1750 to 1870, there began a call for temperance.
Temperance, not prohibition, though some prohibition was enacted!
363 posted on 01/16/2003 7:42:40 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
And isn't it ironic that Howard Hyde Russell was a "reformed" drinker...
Early Years of the Anti-Saloon League
Snip...Now a reformed drinker, he decided to change careers and become a minister in the Congregational Church.
Reformed into what?
364 posted on 01/16/2003 7:55:23 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe

A temperance poster on display in the museum which uses two of the popular themes running through Anti-Saloon League literature - patriotism and the welfare of young people. To view more Anti-Saloon League Literature visit the Digital Archive of the Anti-Saloon League

The same game being played today..."It's for the children."
It worked once, why not use it again.
365 posted on 01/16/2003 8:02:45 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe

I rather like the "Bone Dry" and "Walking the Plank" cartoons.
A never ending issue.
366 posted on 01/16/2003 8:12:53 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
Georgia
Snip...Georgia was the only colony of the thirteen that received financial aid by a vote of Parliament -- the only one in the planting of which the British government, as such, took a part. The colony differed from all others also in prohibiting slavery and the importation of intoxicating liquors. The settlers were to have their land free of rent for ten years, but they could take no part in the government. The trustees made all the laws; but this arrangment was not intended to be permanent; at the close of the proprietary period the colony was to pass to the control of the Crown.
Snip...Oglethorpe was governor of Georgia for twelve years when he returned to England. In four respects the settlers were greatly dissatisfied. They wanted rum, they wanted slaves, they greatly desired to take a hand in their own government, and they were not content with the land system, which gave each settler but a small farm that must descend in the male line. In all these points the people won. On account of these restrictions the colony grew but slowly and at the end of eighteen years scarcely a thousand families had settled in Georgia. The people claimed that the prohibition of liquors drove the West India trade away from them and at length the prohibition was withdrawn.
(not the complete paragraph...see site)
367 posted on 01/16/2003 8:27:26 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
Well? Beg that question!
368 posted on 01/16/2003 8:30:32 PM PST by philman_36
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To: tpaine; Roscoe
I don't know what Roscoe is, diaBOTical machine or not, but informed isn't one of them.
369 posted on 01/16/2003 8:34:21 PM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36; Roscoe; tpaine; Texaggie79
You guy's will continue to make the constitution to suit the lung capacity of the interest you have I guess . It still is not a living entity no matter what any of you do with it .
370 posted on 01/16/2003 9:01:32 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: dorben
You have a point? Refute the article, - or one of our positions, whatever.
Making a generalized statement about a 'living constitution' is just being a knee jerk.
371 posted on 01/16/2003 9:17:32 PM PST by tpaine
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To: dorben
It still is not a living entity no matter what any of you do with it .
I don't think the Constitution is "a living entity" as it says what it says and it should be upheld, not interpreted.
Don't cut me in with the herd of those that do, it's disingenuous of you.
372 posted on 01/16/2003 9:26:43 PM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
During those various prohibitions, was it illegal for anyone to either possess or manufacture alcohol for personal use?
373 posted on 01/16/2003 9:58:13 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
During those various prohibitions, was it illegal for anyone to either possess or manufacture alcohol for personal use?
I can't answer that offhand with assurity, I'd have to look into it.
As an offhand response...THE EIGHTEENTH AMENDMENT AND THE NATIONAL PROHIBITION ACT
Snip...The amendment does not directly prohibit the purchase or possession of alcoholic liquor for beverage purposes. Nor does the National Prohibition Act prohibit the purchase for such purpose, although prohibitions against purchase are contained in many state laws. "Section 25, Title II of the Act does expressly declare it to be unlawful to have or possess any liquor or property designed for the manufacture of liquor intended for use in violation of the Act, or which has been so used and makes such property subject to confiscation. Section 33 provides that after February 1, 1920 the possession of liquor not legally permitted shall be prima facie evidence that such liquor is kept for disposition in violation of the law. This latter section excepts from its operation liquor in one's private dwelling, while the same is occupied as his dwelling only provided such liquors are for use only for the personal consumption of the owner thereof and of his family residing therein and of his bona fide guests when entertained by him therein, placing the burden of proof upon the possessor to prove that such liquor was lawfully acquired, possessed and used.

THE VOLSTEAD ACT
Medicinal alcohol??? And people scoff at the concept of medicinal marijuana! HA!
SEC. 6. No one shall manufacture, sell, purchase, transport, or prescribe any liquor without first obtaining a permit from the commissioner so to do, except that a person may, without a permit, purchase and use liquor for medicinal purposes when prescribed by a physician as herein provided, and except that any person who in the opinion of the commissioner is conducting a bona fide hospital or sanatorium engaged in the treatment of persons suffering from alcoholism, may, under such rules, regulations, and conditions as the commissioner shall prescribe, purchase and use, in accordance with the methods in use in such institution, liquor, to be administered to the patients of such institution under the direction of a duly qualified physician employed by such institution.
All kinds of stuff could be done with alcohol if permits were aquired.
I would have to look into the other prohibitions to see what they entailed and I'm not real sure if that info can be found on the net. I'll try.

374 posted on 01/16/2003 11:23:49 PM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
such things as dry counties don't constitute a prohibition.

More doublethink.

375 posted on 01/17/2003 12:12:09 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Ken H
Michigan Reconsiders Drug-Lifer Sentencing 70 Years after the "Life for a Pint" Law
Snip...In 1927, the Michigan legislature revised the state criminal code to require that "habitual offenders" must serve mandatory life-time prison terms. Being slightly more lenient than the popular "three strikes" laws of the 1990s, the 1927 law defined habitual defenders as those who had committed four felonies. Under Michigan's state Prohibition law, possessing alcohol was a felony. Any person who had committed three felonies, whether alcohol violations or other crimes, was automatically sent to prison for life if he or she was caught with as little as a pint of an alcoholic beverage.
376 posted on 01/17/2003 12:13:26 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
More doublethink.
More mumblings. Did you say something?
377 posted on 01/17/2003 12:19:15 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Cite some more local prohibitions and their longevity, not limitations.

You're really giving your Newspeak a work out.

378 posted on 01/17/2003 12:19:55 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: philman_36
Temperance, not prohibition

Even Orwell would be astounded.

379 posted on 01/17/2003 12:24:58 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Even more mumblings. Are you attempting to say something coherent?
380 posted on 01/17/2003 12:45:07 AM PST by philman_36
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