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Honor Guardsman is fired for blessings
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 22 Jan 03 | David O'reilly

Posted on 01/22/2003 1:16:09 PM PST by FenianOfEire

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To: davidosborne
BTTT!!!!!
21 posted on 01/24/2003 3:07:38 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Great Letter.. Thank you !! Please post a link to your article on this thread and let us know if he responds to your letter..

FReegards,

David

22 posted on 01/24/2003 3:16:15 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: davidosborne
Thanks, David. Have you posted this, or linked to it, on FR's religion page? Best regards, By.
23 posted on 01/24/2003 3:39:22 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Semper; cpforlife.org
FYI.
24 posted on 01/24/2003 3:45:10 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
No but it sounds like a great idea.. I have it linked on my personal website...

FR.DavidOsborne.net

25 posted on 01/24/2003 3:49:25 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: FenianOfEire
What the f**k has happened to this country, anyway????????
26 posted on 01/24/2003 4:45:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: ppaul
But two of his fellow honor guardsmen complained in October, he said, and on Oct. 16 Iven Dumas, the cemetery's honor guard coordinator, ordered him to stop the blessings.

<> They should have canned these two clowns.

The dissolution of our culture could not have been accomplished without the cooperation, and sometimes leadership, of white, conservative, males.

Savage may be right, but only is so far as he went. Right-wingers are also to blame.<>

27 posted on 01/24/2003 4:50:12 AM PST by Catholicguy (We have met the enemy and they are us - Pogo)
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To: FenianOfEire
Rotten and STUPID!!!!
28 posted on 01/24/2003 5:36:43 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Sick, VERY Sick!

Remove God from society--Satan will fill in the void.

29 posted on 01/24/2003 6:35:49 AM PST by cpforlife.org
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To: Catholicguy
This is the result of political correctness gone way wrong. May G-d bless this country, and may G-d bless this honorable colorguardsman.
30 posted on 01/24/2003 1:41:18 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: FenianOfEire
End of day BTTT for Patrick Cubbage.. God Bless you sir! I SALUTE you !!
31 posted on 01/24/2003 5:00:50 PM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: FenianOfEire; davidosborne
At 2:50 p.m. EST, Fox News Channel gave a Live Report on this story, explaining it all.

They had called the Governor of New Jersey, and he corrected the situation, ordering the man restored to his position!

They announced they will interview the Governor on Fox (FNC) at 4 p.m. EST today!

V-I-C-T-O-R-Y !!!

32 posted on 01/25/2003 12:00:15 PM PST by LadyX ((((( Semper Fi )))))
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To: LadyX
I hope we don't give up on this story until Mr. Dumas is terminated for abuse of power. And formally sanctioned by the Department of Veterans Affiars.

FReegards,

David

33 posted on 01/27/2003 6:43:31 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76527,00.html
34 posted on 01/27/2003 6:51:49 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: All

Mr. Patrick Cubbage !! God Bless You, and God Bless the United States of America!! I SALUTE YOU!!

FReegards,

David C. Osborne

35 posted on 01/27/2003 6:54:40 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: davidosborne
http://www.msnbc.com/local/wcau/a1467643.asp
36 posted on 01/27/2003 6:59:39 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: SkyPilot
The Book of Romans says we are to obey our Government authority--but it says first we are to obey God Himself.

Well, obviously, if the government is lying or not supporting the discovery of truth, then it is not a governing body... that said, we should not indeed fight for power within power struggles, but defend the truth. Fighting government as a power is illicit, defending the truth is not.

37 posted on 01/27/2003 7:22:41 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: FenianOfEire; BeforeISleep; SAMWolf; ExSoldier; davidosborne; Alamo-Girl; snippy_about_it; ...
Honor Guard Gets Job Back With State's 'Blessing'
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Evening Editor
August 11, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - An honor guardsman who was fired last year by the New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs for offering religious blessings at funerals is returning to work Monday with back pay, though there's still some confusion as to when he can say "God bless you" to veterans' families.

"I'm glad it's over - well, I hope it's over," said Patrick Cubbage, a 54-year-old Vietnam veteran and former police officer from Philadelphia who worked part time as an honor guard at the Brig. Gen. William C. Doyle Veterans' Memorial Cemetery in Burlington County, N.J.

Cubbage's supervisors fired him last October because he finished flag presentations with the words, "God bless you and this family, and God bless the United States of America."

The Rutherford Institute, a nonprofit civil liberties organization based in Charlottesville, Va., came to Cubbage's defense, with institute President John Whitehead serving as his attorney.

The matter received national attention, and the state offered in late January to give Cubbage his job back, a proposal he rejected as "inadequate."

On July 29, however, Cubbage reached a settlement with the New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs that Whitehead called "precedent setting."

Not only does Cubbage return to his post, but he also receives 10 months' back pay. And most importantly, honor guards "must now ask the families [of the deceased] if they want the religious service," according to the agreement.

"Before, they could do it," Whitehead said. "Now, they have to do it."

However, Lt. Col. Roberta Niedt, a public affairs officer in the department, said she thought the blessing might be allowed only at Air Force interment ceremonies.

Niedt admitted that she had not read the settlement, but her understanding was that the cemetery's interment officer "must follow the standards set forth by each of the military departments. The Department of the Army has its protocol, as does the Department of the Air Force, the Navy, the Coast Guard, and the Marines. Each of those comes with a standard phrase."

Still, the issue of whether all five branches of service allow the same blessing is much less significant than the problems Cubbage faced at the beginning of the controversy.

Hired during October of 2001, Cubbage participated in about 2,000 burial services. As part of his regular ceremonial duties, Cubbage presented a folded U.S. flag to the deceased's next of kin.

In accordance with protocol, Cubbage would say: "This flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation and the United States Army as a token of appreciation for your loved one's honorable and faithful service."

Cubbage also regularly said: "God bless you and this family, and God bless the United States of America."

After other honor guards objected to the religious blessing, a supervisor approached Cubbage and told him the blessing could no longer be given unless the deceased's family formally requested it.

Cubbage was fired Oct. 31 after he offered a blessing - even though the deceased's family said they would welcome it.

Cubbage said he got the words from the Flag Presentation Protocol given to him by the Department of Defense when he started his job.

The New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs issued a letter backing up Cubbage's use of the words "God bless" if the next of kin had expressed a religious preference or belief.

Whitehead said the issue escalated because, in today's cultural climate, God and the mention of God are politically incorrect.

Now, however, Cubbage said he expected to work out any final details on his responsibilities when he reports for duty back at the Doyle Cemetery. "They'll give me all the particulars when I get there," he said.

Whitehead said he would be interested to see what happens when Cubbage returns to work. "It's clear what they have to do," he said. "If they don't, they can get sued again."

http://www.cnsnews.com/Pentagon/Archive/200301/PEN20030128a.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon.asp?Page=/Pentagon/archive/200308/PEN20030811a.html
http://www.rutherford.org/
http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/press_release.asp?article_id=440
38 posted on 08/11/2003 10:03:39 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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PC gone mad.

God Bless John Whitehead.

Thanks for the update Coleus.
39 posted on 08/11/2003 10:10:21 AM PDT by SAMWolf (For any remedy there is a misery.)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up!
40 posted on 08/11/2003 10:19:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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