Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Towboat operators turn mutinous over Bush budget proposal
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Tuesday, February 11, 2003 | C.M. Mortimer

Posted on 02/11/2003 9:06:30 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Local waterways officials are outraged over a proposal advanced by the Bush administration calling for waterways users to pay up to half the cost of operating and maintaining the nation's locks, dams and channels.

Yesterday, local and national waterways officials and operators decried the proposal as "shortsighted," and said it violates an agreement forged by the government and waterways users in 1986. That agreement affirmed federal responsibility for inland waterways operation and maintenance in exchange for inland waterways users assuming the obligation for financing 50 percent of future construction and major rehabilitation spending.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: barges; cargo; infrastructure; rivers; transportation
Rather than investing in building/maintaining/upgrading long-term infrastructure, looks like Dubya's intent is to pi$$ away those funds on daily operations, and let the infrastructure continue to degrade.

IMHO, it's no different than what Gray Davis did with Kalifornia's electricity crisis. They failed to invest in adequate generating capacity infrastructure, then go deep into debt just to finance their monthly light bill.

Pinhead politicians are all shortsighted. Our inland waterways are vital to commerce. Capital improvements shouldn't be scuttled by myopic bureaucrats.

1 posted on 02/11/2003 9:06:30 AM PST by Willie Green
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
Our inland waterways are vital to commerce.

A lot of our inland waterways are largely economically useless pork projects.

Though, I'd like to see trucking companies pay much more of their share for road damage, too.

2 posted on 02/11/2003 9:09:28 AM PST by John H K
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
You're right! We should be wasting our federal dollars on pork barrel rail projects that nobody uses!

Oh, right, we're doing that already.

3 posted on 02/11/2003 9:12:35 AM PST by Incorrigible
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John H K
Though, I'd like to see trucking companies pay much more of their share for road damage, too.

Amen. You'll note that while Dubya is allowing our inland waterway infrastructure to degrade, he is also diverting more cash out of General Funds to subsidize highway construction and those blasted, hazardous NAFTA trucks.

Good grief. In many ways this dude is no different than Klintoon and Algore. First he comes out with a bunch of junk-science hoopla about hydrogen cars, then he tries to sneak THIS through. Next thing you know, he'll be running around hyping the American Heritage Rivers Initiative, only he'll come up with a more "compassionate" label so he can claim credit for it. Face it, Dubya is NOT a conservative.

4 posted on 02/11/2003 9:23:17 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
And Pat Buchanan is a NAZI!
5 posted on 02/11/2003 9:26:47 AM PST by kaktuskid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Incorrigible
You're right! We should be wasting our federal dollars on pork barrel rail projects that nobody uses!
Oh, right, we're doing that already.

NAFTA trucks, man. Blasted, hazardous NAFTA trucks.
They're the only thing that globalist kook cares about.

6 posted on 02/11/2003 9:27:35 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kaktuskid
My rant about Dubya is focused directly at his policies concerning transportation infrastructure.

Your "contribution" is totally irrelevant.

7 posted on 02/11/2003 9:37:50 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
Resucing the canal subsidies would push more agricultural cargo onto the less subsidized non-passenger railways.

OTOH it could drive Mike Fink out of business!

8 posted on 02/11/2003 9:38:36 AM PST by mrsmith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
This sounds like farmers and ranchers that are always whining for the "goverment to get off my back, but hurry up with that check!"
9 posted on 02/11/2003 9:42:44 AM PST by glorgau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mrsmith
OTOH it could drive Mike Fink out of business!

And memories of Mark Twain would fade into oblivion.

10 posted on 02/11/2003 9:49:25 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
You can argue this both ways. Some maintenance and development of inland waterways makes sense. But much of it is a huge waste of pork. Since roads and rails are subsidized, some comparable degree of subsidy may be indicated. But as soon as you start interfering with the free market, you introduce distortions, so it needs to be done carefully and equitably. Unfortunately, it's mostly done on the basis of who has seniority in congress.
11 posted on 02/11/2003 9:55:42 AM PST by Cicero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
proposal advanced by the Bush administration calling for waterways users to pay up to half the cost of operating and maintaining the nation's locks, dams and channels.

I am a bit confused....

When we buy gasoline, we help pay for the upkeep of the highways and roadways. If we use certain avenues of convenience (tollways), we pay a toll to maintain the road.

How is that any different from users of the nations system of locks and damns? The cost of operation of these locks and dams to maintain a shipping chanel are huge. To the consumer, it's not going to make a lot of difference, as any cost to shippers will be passed on.

Still, what's wrong with the users of a resourse paying a share of the upkeep of that resourse?

12 posted on 02/11/2003 10:03:17 AM PST by TheBattman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
But as soon as you start interfering with the free market, you introduce distortions, so it needs to be done carefully and equitably.

Interference with the "free market" has nothing to do with it. With foundations deeply rooted in English Common Law, navigable rivers such as our inland waterways are considered to be public highways, owned and maintained by the sovereign government for the use and benefit by all. Any proposal to transfer ownership of the system of locks and dams to the private sector should be viewed as a betrayal of public trust.

13 posted on 02/11/2003 10:16:04 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
Still, what's wrong with the users of a resourse paying a share of the upkeep of that resourse?

Nothing at all. In fact, the waterway users already do it.
What they are up in arms about is totally legitimate.
The monies collected from them were designated for a specific purpose.
Now Dubya is proposing deliberate misallocation of those funds for other use.

14 posted on 02/11/2003 10:29:05 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
Still, what's wrong with the users of a resourse paying a share of the upkeep of that resourse?

If I may elaborate further:
The barge and riverboat operators already paid their share, with legitimate expectations that the money would be spent on maintaining and upgrading the infrastructure that they use. By misallocating those funds, Dubya is essentially requiring the barge and riverboat operators to subsidize the more nefarious activities of the Corps of Engineers that they do NOT benefit from: such as the Corps of Engineers enviro-whacknut bureaucracy that harasses any business that happens to have a tiny drainage ditch or "wetland" puddle within the river's watershed. If you were a barge or riverboat operator, would you want your user fees going to support that other nonsense? Heck no!

15 posted on 02/11/2003 10:53:16 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
Read the last paragraph.
16 posted on 02/11/2003 11:16:47 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Ben Ficklin
Read the last paragraph.

"McCarville said Congress would have to pass a new law to divert money from the Inland Waterways Fund for operation and maintenance."
And your point is?

In the previous paragraphs, Mr. McCarville ALSO called the president's budget proposal "shortsighted".
I am in agreement with him.

If Dubya's budget proposal calls for misallocation of funds, all the last paragraph means is that the WH will be pushing for upcoming legislation to facilitate the diversion. And it is likely to be buried deep in the details of some humongous omnibus appropriations bill where it would get lost among other issues.

Am I being too harsh on Dubya with this criticism? Perhaps. When it comes down to it, I have no reason to suspect that out of the 2 years of his presidency, he's given even 2 minutes of thought to issues involving our inland waterways transportation infrastructure. It's just completely off his radar screen. Like everybody else, he just takes it for granted that everything is hunky-dorey no matter what. I guess it'll have to be in total collapse and chaos before he wakes up and begins the whodunnit political blame-game.

17 posted on 02/11/2003 11:54:11 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
How have they paid their fair share (and I honestly don't know how that industry works, please bear with me). Is it through some special licensing/certification? Is it through a direct tax?

IF they have paid their fair share, then certainly I don't think there should be additional costs.

What I see a comparison to is the fact that we all(well most of us) pay various taxes - federal, state, local, sales, property, etc. If I go to a Corps of Engineers campground or boat ramp, I have to pay a day use fee - even just to launch a boat - on which a registration fee/tax as well as marine fuel and standard gasoline tax, plus personal property tax has been paid.

If I camp at one of these facilities, I have to pay, on average, $15 per night for the use of the campground - weather or not I use any other facilites or electricity. Increasingly, these capsites are not being maintained. What's next?

Yes, I agree that the Corps mismanages funds. I have seen many wastefull projects, as well as outright failures on their behalf.
18 posted on 02/12/2003 8:27:15 AM PST by TheBattman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
How have they paid their fair share (and I honestly don't know how that industry works, please bear with me). Is it through some special licensing/certification? Is it through a direct tax?

"The proposal, part of an Army Corps of Engineers budget request for next year, would tap a special trust fund — the Inland Waterways Trust Fund — financed by a 20-cent-a-gallon fuel tax paid by barge lines and used for construction and major rehabilitation to maintain navigation on the nation's rivers."
I view this as being quite similar to the fishing license that I buy from the state. While I favor many state wildlife programs, I expect the fees gathered from fishing licenses to go directly to the fish management program. And if I also buy a "trout stamp" for my license, I expect those funds to specificly assist the hatchery/stocking activities for trout. Similar state wildlife programs for deer management or pheasants, etc. etc. are nice. But those should be funded from hunting licenses, not my fishing license money. And NONE of those fees should be misallocated to goofy enviro-nut efforts to restore a "sustainable" grey wolf population in the backyards of suburbia.
19 posted on 02/12/2003 8:51:20 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
This is exactly the type of answer I was looking for. As I stated, I had no idea how the shipping industry paid "their fair share". It's much like the highway system - we pay gas tax, expecting that tax to go to maintenence of the highways/roadways.

If they already are paying for upkeep, then they should not be further burdened

The Corps should be forced by the legislature to directly request funding for each of their boondogle projects - weather it be a drainage ditch or habitat for the spotted eeltrout suckerfish salmon. Money collected for a specific purpose should be REQUIRED to be spent for that purpose. Of course, the re-directing of funds is not a new game for government.
20 posted on 02/12/2003 9:31:54 AM PST by TheBattman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson