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LR man, grandson prevent robbery, Two gunmen killed in company holdup
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette ^ | 18 FEB 03 | BY JIM BROOKS

Posted on 02/18/2003 9:04:50 AM PST by DCBryan1

LR man, grandson prevent robbery
Two gunmen killed in company holdup

BY JIM BROOKS
ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

Two men were shot and killed Monday morning after they tried to rob Downen Oil Co. in central Little Rock, police said.

Phillip Williams, 23, and Troy James Williams, 28, entered the business around 11 a.m. and shortly afterward announced a holdup, police said.

Troy Williams was fatally shot while he and the owner of the business, Charles Leon Downen, 64, struggled for the gun Williams had put to Downen’s head, police reported.

Phillip Williams was shot and killed after he ran from the business [while shooting over his shoulder] and got into a shootout with Downen’s grandson, Charles Randall Downen, 25, according to a police report.

Prosecutors will determine whether the Downens were justified in using force. A police detective said charges likely will not be filed.

Detectives still were trying to determine whether the Williamses were related.

In the past 12 months, four men have been shot and killed while attempting to rob businesses or individuals in Little Rock. All of the shootings have been or are expect to be ruled as justifiable.

On Monday morning, the Downens were in the business office at 4912 Asher Ave. when the two Williamses entered and asked to use the restroom, according to a police report.

When they left the restroom, Troy Williams put a gun to the elder Downen’s head and said, "This is a robbery," the report said.

The older Downen and Troy Williams struggled for the handgun, which went off, wounding the 28-year-old. Meanwhile, Phillip Williams ran from the business. Charles Randall Downen, armed with a.45-caliber semiautomatic handgun, chased him.

Phillip Williams "had a sawed-off, bolt-action rifle down the leg of his pants," said Sgt. Alan Quattlebaum, who commands the Police Department’s homicide squad. "Shots were exchanged outside the building, and when police arrived, Mr. [the younger] Downen had [Phillip] Williams at gunpoint on the ground."

Neither of the Downens were injured.

Police spokesman Cassandra Davis said the Williamses were taken to University Hospital in Little Rock, where both were pronounced dead.

Several spent-shell casings and the rifle were found in the business parking lot. The window of the business had a large bullet hole in it.

"Detectives are working to determine whether that shot came from inside or outside," Davis said.

Police also were interested in a gold 2002 Nissan Altima that was parked near the business entrance. The vehicle was believed to have been the one the Williamses drove to the business.

This story was published Tuesday, February 18, 2003


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; concealedhandgun; crime; criminals; defense; rkba; selfdefense
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Hurrah for the good guys!

Both of these guys are friends of mine at the local shooting club (Central Arkansas Shooting Association), and place top 50 every month out of 100 of us in (IDPA or (Int'l Defensive Shooting Assn) events.

These guys are proof positive that gun control is hitting what you aim at!

I found out through a cop friend of mine that these two were known criminals who were trying to re-establish their credibility in a local gang and had were both either on parole or some sort of probation.

Good riddance criminals!

Great shooting guys!

Everyone who carries a defensive-firearm should join and use a shooting club regularly!

1 posted on 02/18/2003 9:04:50 AM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Sir Gawain; bang_list
PING!

SELF DEFENSE BANG!

2 posted on 02/18/2003 9:06:20 AM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1
Messed up my links:

These should be good:

(Central Arkansas Shooting Association),
(IDPA or (Int'l Defensive Shooting Assn)

3 posted on 02/18/2003 9:10:49 AM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1
Nice work by the good guys!
4 posted on 02/18/2003 9:14:02 AM PST by Gritty
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To: DCBryan1
Anticipating Mr. Downen's arrest
5 posted on 02/18/2003 9:38:22 AM PST by Conservateacher
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To: Squantos; Lion Den Dan; AAABEST; Joe Brower; Sir Gawain; harpseal; Travis McGee; Jeff Head
Chalk two up for the good guys.
6 posted on 02/18/2003 9:39:01 AM PST by SLB
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To: Gritty
As a fellow arkansawyer a high five to the good guys. Maybe this will help our bill to allow concealed carry in resturants and parks to get passed. I'm sorry two people had to die but I look at this in a rational way. I do not ever desire to have to kill in self-defense but it is the fault of the agressor that forces me to do so. I have the moral standing in such a situation.
7 posted on 02/18/2003 9:43:27 AM PST by therut
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To: DCBryan1
Tell your friends congrats for a job well done!
8 posted on 02/18/2003 9:46:29 AM PST by eyespysomething (Protesters wear designer blinders)
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To: eyespysomething
They deserve a thank you from all of us that will "not" be prey to the two dead criminals in the years to come.
9 posted on 02/18/2003 10:00:14 AM PST by Free Trapper
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To: eyespysomething
Tell your friends congrats for a job well done!

Maybe I over-embellished...they are aquaintences, but are truely, "firearm-friends" that I see once a month at the range. I will tell them good job, and I hope that Randall gets his Kimber Pro CDP II back from the LRPD.

10 posted on 02/18/2003 10:00:25 AM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1; glock rocks; TEXASPROUD; Travis McGee; harpseal
200 rounds a week at the local indoor range, 50 sitting in a chair (seated in car or resturant) , 50 sitting on the ground, (fallen or knocked down) , 50 for presentation and speed and tactical /speed reloads practice from a conceiled carry rig, 50 for accuracy. IDPA competition every other Sunday evening to practice skills and learn new ones.

Go home and reload next weeks "practice and competition " ammo....repeat as needed :o)

With a CHL and the RKBA comes a responsibility to use it properly. Glad these guys did such.........

Stay Safe !

11 posted on 02/18/2003 10:07:43 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: therut
. I'm sorry two people had to die but I look at this in a rational way.

I'm not sorry - two down, lots more to go. This is the ideal application of capital punishment - cheap, instant, and these two guys are permanently deterred. (Soon to be interred!)

12 posted on 02/18/2003 10:12:59 AM PST by First Amendment
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To: Squantos
i love a happy ending.
13 posted on 02/18/2003 10:23:06 AM PST by glock rocks (idpa - inexpensive practical training for armed self defense)
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To: dd5339
Justifiable Shoot Ping -AND HOW!!!!
14 posted on 02/18/2003 10:26:11 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (Why walk when you can ride?)
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To: DCBryan1
"In the past 12 months, four men have been shot and killed while attempting to rob businesses or individuals in Little Rock. All of the shootings have been or are expect to be ruled as justifiable."

whoooo dowgy!!

15 posted on 02/18/2003 10:40:23 AM PST by sonofron
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To: DCBryan1
Will somebody send this article to Chuckie (I wanna take your guns away) Schumer
16 posted on 02/18/2003 10:42:14 AM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: DCBryan1
OUTSTANDING!!
17 posted on 02/18/2003 10:44:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Squantos
Don't you love a happy ending story like this?
18 posted on 02/18/2003 10:45:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Squantos
I do about the same practice routine except I do 50 lying on the ground. If I get knocked down I might as well have the advantage of shooting from the most stable position :^)
19 posted on 02/18/2003 10:45:28 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
Hopefully I have drawn and am shooting as I turn make contact with the ground and the other cheek per se.....:o)

Agree as to most stable position......Stay Safe !

20 posted on 02/18/2003 10:52:16 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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