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Canadian Security Agency Deems Ernst Zundel A Security Risk
CBC News ^ | Feb. 21, 2003 | CBC News Online staff

Posted on 02/21/2003 7:22:10 PM PST by danielmryan

CSIS says Zundel is security risk

Last Updated Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:37:36

THOROLD, ONT. - Canada is examining whether Ernst Zundel is too much of a security risk to allow into Canada.

The German-born Holocaust denier was thrown out of the United States earlier this week, and is trying to argue that he deserves to be allowed to remain in Canada.

Zundel says he is a good candidate for refugee status in Canada, but Canadian officials are examining his actions and his past links to racist groups.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service advised the government Zundel was a national security risk because of ties to racist groups back in 1996.

Zundel says he's changed, but Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress says a quick glance at his Web site proves that the former Toronto resident is still spreading hate. "He remains the king of Holocaust denial," said Farber.

Meanwhile, Zundel insists the U.S. had no grounds to remove him, and that his detractors have mislabelled him.

If it's determined that Zundel is still a risk Immigration Minister Denis Coderre has the right to deny him a refugee hearing and deport him to Germany immediately.

In 1991, Zundel was convicted in absentia of inciting hatred in Germany. German authorities say he would be arrested immediately and could face a fine or imprisonment of up to five years.


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KEYWORDS: liberal; security; securitystate; tyranny
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This requires some going through.

First of all, I should note that Canada has a thriving national security state that is working quite comfortably under a Liberal government. The APEC scandal of 1997 isn't the first time this issue has been raised; there were complaints of the abuse of RCMP security forces all through the 1970s, when Liberal Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister here. And there might have been muted compaints under other Liberals, most notably the one that was in charge in the 1930s and 1940s, William Lyon Mackenzie King.

You should note that the Left seems to have a monopoly regarding this issue up in Canada. This is the result of a hornswoggle that needs to be taken apart.

Every society has groups that are deemed an "enemy within." There are several varieties, and they all tend to be made into kick-toys. The neo-Nazis are one of them; the Communists were another; al-Quaidan sympathizers certainly are one; and there are others.

In order to maintain a moral patina, each of these groups have both an enemy and a hook - a propoganda strategy which would make the enemy repugnant to general society if the gambit is accepted. The neo-Nazis take on "swindlers" and try to link such corruption to Jewish perople; the Communists take on the "grasping, vampiric bourgeois" and try to link such to businesspeople; the al-Quaidans take anti-American complaints and try to link it to "Satan."

Now, let's add this scenario. A government is corrupt in one of these three ways: it's either packed full of swindlers, or is dominated by bloodsuckers, or is Machiavellian. The people are beginning to get wind of this, and a few of the braver ones are considering standing up to these corrupt powers-that-be. This government, having something to hide, needs a distraction.

And what better distraction to call any honest patriot and/or good citizen a "neo-Nazi"; a "Commie"; or an "extremist Muslim", depending upon what variety of corruption is being covered up?

I should note that people with a "room-temperature I.Q." are better at this kind of dissemble than regular folks, as subtleties tend to escape them. So they're sincerer than the more intelligent person when lumping dissimilar things together.

I should also note that such an act of political magicianship keeps the patriot very much on the defensive until such is seen through.

1 posted on 02/21/2003 7:22:11 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
HUH?
2 posted on 02/21/2003 7:38:07 PM PST by MEG33
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To: danielmryan
What a maroon.

If this guy wants to get into Canada, he needs to declare himself a Muslim and state his specific desire to kill every American, Englishman and Christian on the planet.

That would open the gates immediately.

(or is that how to get into the Democratic Party? I get them confused sometimes).

3 posted on 02/21/2003 7:41:18 PM PST by freedumb2003
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To: freedumb2003
Let me just pick that apart for an instant. If you guys are successful at shaming the Canadian government into acting more NATO-like, it will show in them trying to crack down on "extremist deviants" in Canada.

This probably won't accomplish much, as political machines stay alive by spoiling "their" favoured citizens. The imposition of "conditional love" might frighten the ward heelers!

But apprearances will be kept up, as specified in the first paragraph.

4 posted on 02/21/2003 7:53:58 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
"Huh" means that you put a burr on a seat and somebody sat on it. The National Post ran a column yesterday by Christie Blatchford. You may be interested in the gist of it. I do this to make a point that Canadians will not wish considered.

Wilson and Laing are two former immigrants from Jamaica. Last week they heisted an armoured car and took $75,000. This was in Toronto. Their car stalled and they took hostages, they later surrendered, Each had been deported to Jamaica three times, because of violent crimes. One fellow only took four days to get back into Canada. It is obvious that the Minister of Immigration in Canada has not got much of a clue . Another man from Jamaica was ordered deported and the authorities failed to execute this. He then murdered a police officer.

I read of a house invasion last year in Montreal. Recent immigrants (I believe not Jamaicans) terrified a rich Jewish Canadian couple for eight hours and so it goes. I am sure all Canadians will join with me, in having mild hysterics about Zundel. It is sure safe that way.

5 posted on 02/21/2003 8:46:52 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
LOL!!!! WHAT Canadian Security Agency? Those drunks that harass our people at the border, yet let terrorists through by the truckload? PLEASE!!!
6 posted on 02/21/2003 9:15:38 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Malcolm
Ah well..... Friendliest border here at the Twin Cities of Sault Ste Marie, Ontario and Michigan. The soul of professional scrutiny on both sides from our customs and yours. Ahem, old fellow, just trying to make sure I get the blessings when I cross and re-cross the St Mary's River.

Oh, was in Atlanta once. Now that Cyclorama and the General..... Awesome, as the kids of today would say. I too have veered toward Israel as of late. I sincerely know that their forbearance is being tested to limit. Other nations would have gone beserk in retaliation. This will get me off any Canadian civil servants hit list- cheers.

7 posted on 02/21/2003 9:29:35 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
So you see it. Chances are the CIA has sized up Canada as a country where the public gets off on twisting the arm of their Members of Parliament so as to give them a brag story to their fellows at the bar. This implies that the MPs which survive are at heart pliable, regardless of whatever "winning image" they show.

I might have been somewhat unfair in linking the obvious terror that more than a few Canadians have of their government to the low-I.Q. type being in the Ottawa high chair, but the underlying logic of this is that people who are skilled in dissembling and opportunism do tend to lump the innocent in with the guilty on the basis of a surface resemblance that is in fact spurious. That's why J. Edgar Hoover always insisted that any would-be "Commie fighter" confine themselves to letting the professionally-trained FBI handle any investigation of suspected traitors. He told everyone to rely on the FBI because of their professional restraint, which really goes beyond one's I.Q. score.

I'm glad I put the right burr down. Every new citizen of this earth has to learn the same lessons of common sense for themselves. More than a few of the Internet residents need it very badly, because (to finish the balance) a deficit in common sense is very much associated with the high-I.Q. type.

8 posted on 02/21/2003 9:46:39 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Malcolm
The security agency that relies upon "crystal balls" and communing with one's "dead Mummy," of course!
9 posted on 02/21/2003 9:48:26 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: All
Some here will have to forgive me as I obviously have a room temperature IQ but I say we should've just shipped him off to Israel and been done with the whole thing.
10 posted on 02/21/2003 10:41:29 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Sorry, I'm not very sophisticated)
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To: danielmryan; Peter Libra
So, uh, what language are you two guys speaking?
11 posted on 02/21/2003 11:22:09 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
French, of course!
12 posted on 02/22/2003 3:14:45 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
What better language could you use to hide your stupid?
13 posted on 02/22/2003 4:02:04 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
Bad news for the Z-Man. He could always immigrate to Egypt or Syria like the other Nazis.
14 posted on 02/22/2003 4:17:41 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: dennisw
Yeah. Nazis tend to thrive in countries where "fascism of the Left" is predominant. Such as Peron's Argentina.
15 posted on 02/22/2003 6:21:08 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: freedumb2003
Don't be stupid, is that some attempt at humor or are you just a macaroon too.
16 posted on 02/22/2003 7:47:33 AM PST by albertabound
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To: Peter Libra
excellent points.
17 posted on 02/22/2003 7:50:13 AM PST by albertabound
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To: danielmryan
A bit late here in replying. I do plead the heavy fall of snow that hit our Great Lakes region in the evening. Daughter is a hard working lass and has to drive out at 5am. The driveway took precedence, thence to my bed.

May I make a friendly suggestion? A bit of an old ex-socialist here, hard to shake off my "compassion". Each person lies within a certain grouping of the IQ. 90-115 I was told. We have to educate our adversaries- a la the maestro of talk- El Rushbo. You will find what I mean in my civilised reply to a Freeper query.

18 posted on 02/22/2003 8:15:36 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: rogue yam
The language that the poster is speaking can be said to be Polemics. Or better still(my 1968 Websters notwithstanding) he is a polemicist. Of course I would not curry favour to use a direct comparision with George Orwell with the poster.

Orwell's series of essays titled "Polemic" uses that style.

Hard to find anyone who approaches Orwell, the style has no patent though. Normally people who like to have a good discussion, would never even get their stuff in the local rag. Please bear with our idiosyncrasy. Simply using this great new forum- internet.

19 posted on 02/22/2003 8:23:31 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
To self- Each person in the average range of the general public lies with the range of 90-115. When yer' gits to a about 128, yer' should be a lawyer, or summat like that. (LOL).
20 posted on 02/22/2003 8:38:32 AM PST by Peter Libra
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