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Bush's Choice: Powell or the Prophets? (Did Bush really say what I think he said?)
Jewish World Review | 3/26/03 | Michael Freund

Posted on 03/26/2003 7:03:33 AM PST by truthandlife

Did the President really say what I think he said?

Speaking in the White House Rose Garden earlier this month, with a clearly delighted Colin Powell at his side, George W. Bush went ahead and used the "O" word, as in "occupied", when describing Israel's heartland of Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

In laying out his vision for the establishment of a Palestinian state, Bush said that, "as progress is made toward peace, settlement activity in the occupied territories must end," with the implication being that Jewish housing construction somehow inhibits Middle Eastern harmony.

With the United States poised to liberate Baghdad, the President's use of the "O" word might seem to be a matter of secondary importance, as the entire region will soon undergo a fundamental transformation of historic proportions. America is about to reshuffle the Arab deck, with far-reaching consequences for nearly every country involved.

But with all the uncertainty regarding precisely what will emerge in the post-Saddam era, there is one issue about which there should be little doubt. Once the Iraqis get walloped, Russia, Europe and the Arab world will intensify their criticism, seeking to force Bush to "balance" his liberation of Iraq with independence for the Palestinians.

In fact, such pressure is already starting to mount. As the New York Times reported, Bush's statement came as "a result of pressure from British Prime Minister Tony Blair." Blair, the Times noted, has been demanding that the White House adopt the roadmap leading to a Palestinian state so as "to quell the anger throughout the Arab world over the Bush administration's perceived focus on Iraq."

Hence, the President's reference to the "occupied territories", and his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state, should not be written off lightly. Rather, it is just a small taste of what is yet to come.

To be fair, the White House's stance on Judea, Samaria and Gaza is hardly new. American presidents have long been vocally opposed to the expansion of Jewish communities in the territories, even as they remained inexplicably silent about the illegal growth of neighboring Arab villages.

But Bush is not just any American president. Unlike his predecessors, he has pushed Yasser Arafat into a corner, courageously stood up to Saddam Hussein, underlined the need for democratization of the Arab world and launched a far-reaching global war on terror. It may sound clichèd, but he is by far "the best friend Israel has had in the White House" in a good long time.

And that is what makes his latest remarks so puzzling.

For, as a number of recent stories in the US press have made amply clear, Bush is a religious man who takes his Christian faith seriously. And yet, if Jesus were alive today, the US State Department would likely criticize him for being a Jewish settler and an obstacle to peace.

After all, according to the Christian bible, Jesus was a Jew born in Bethlehem, which is south of Jerusalem in what Colin Powell considers the "occupied territory" of Judea. His parents were Jews who undoubtedly prayed at a local Bethlehem synagogue, learned Torah at a local study-hall, and bought food at the local kosher marketplace. Thus, they were Jewish settlers in every respect.

Needless to say, the Christian bible itself contains no mention of the word "Palestine" or "Palestinians", for the simple reason that they did not exist. All told, in the Torah and the Christian bible, the terms "Judah" or "Judea" appear 877 times, and "Samaria" is used on 123 occasions. There is no reference to phrases such as the "West Bank" or "occupied territories," as Islam had not yet even come into being.

It is therefore hard to understand why the President would consent to pressure Israel to turn over Judea, Samaria and Gaza to the Palestinians, for he would appear to be acting contrary to what his own hallowed text would seem to demonstrate, namely that these areas belong to the Jewish people and no one else.

The same goes for Israel's capital, where many of the events in the Christian bible, such as the last supper on Mount Zion, the denunciation in the Garden of Gethsemane and the crucifixion on Golgotha are all described as having taken place in Jerusalem --- in Roman-occupied Jewish Jerusalem, that is. Hence, Christians who accept Palestinian demands to Jerusalem are essentially denying the validity of their own traditions.

It is imperative, then, that American Christian supporters of Israel launch an all-out effort to remind President Bush of these facts, and to counter the pressure he is coming under from the likes of Tony Blair and Colin Powell.

Bush is an honest and decent man, who is true to himself and to his belief system. But he is facing enormous pressure to mollify the Arabs at the expense of the Jewish state, and will therefore need a great deal of public backing behind him if he is to stand up against such pressure.

Since Bush is a man of faith, Christian supporters of Israel should appeal to him using a faith-based approach, pointing out that the Christianity he professes to believe in provides ample evidence that places such as Bethlehem and Hebron have nothing to do with the Palestinians and everything to do with Israel.

Of course, as a Jew, I personally look to the Torah for validation of my people's unbreakable connection to the Land of Israel and exclusive rights to it. As far as I am concerned, the views of the Prophets take precedence over those of Colin Powell any day.

Once the war in Iraq is over, though, President Bush will likely have to make a choice between the two. Now is the time for American Christians to speak out and remind him that when it comes to politics versus prophecy, the man of faith must ultimately follow his heart.


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1 posted on 03/26/2003 7:03:33 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
The Bible doesn't mention Iraq either. Or France. Or the USA. Interesting yet irrelevant data.
2 posted on 03/26/2003 7:10:09 AM PST by Huck
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To: Huck; dighton; babylonian; Simcha7; general_re; dennisw
Well, the Bible certainly does mention the French. Haven't you ever read about the plague of frogs? :-\
3 posted on 03/26/2003 7:20:34 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Well, the Bible certainly does mention the French. Haven't you ever read about the plague of frogs? :-\

Touche (that's French, you know)

4 posted on 03/26/2003 7:31:03 AM PST by Huck
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To: Thinkin' Gal
pure brilliance here is your doctorate !!
5 posted on 03/26/2003 7:33:47 AM PST by cactusSharp (( if pc skills named us,I'd be backspace delete))
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To: Huck
The logic of the author's argument is faulty and misleading. Simply because the Bible doesn't mention countries that didn't exist at the time it was written (let's include the USA here) doesn't mean that these countries don't have a legitimate right to exist now.


I don't like the fact that this Israeli author is using Christianity as a pretext for encouraging people on this board to put pressure on our President for changes he clearly doesn't feel are warranted. He has stated on more than one occasion, that he will not change foreign policy based on "focus groups".

And as a matter of opinion, I would just venture to say that Palestine does indeed need it's own sovereign state. This one act would stop Hamas from operating, it would stop Hamas from drawing upon the hate and resentment of the Palestinians who lost their country 60 years ago.

If Palestine had it's sovereign state and continued to support terrorist attacks, then we'd be in a better position to deal with them, as it's much easier to deal with a "state" and it's leaders than faceless terrorism.

I believe that President Bush was completely justified in using the word "occupied" furthermore, I don't believe that Colin Powell and Tony Blair are forcing him into using rhetoric that he doesn't believe in.

I'll be using the email address provided to send my compliments to President Bush on the path that he has chosen and will ask and pray that he stay the course of his proposals in an effort to ensure peace in that region.
6 posted on 03/26/2003 7:37:35 AM PST by AmericanBabe
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"Well, the Bible certainly does mention the French..."

But is it true that drinking French wines can give you internal warts?

7 posted on 03/26/2003 7:39:30 AM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: AmericanBabe
I tend to agree with you. I am not an expert by any means. I agree with your criticisms of the article on every point. As for a palestinian state, I tend to agree. It should be one contoguous mass, thoough, not some weird patchwork. If nothing else, it'd give us a clean target if they continue to sponsor terrorism.
8 posted on 03/26/2003 7:44:17 AM PST by Huck
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To: truthandlife; Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; babylonian; chance33_98; xJones; BearWash; dennisw; ...
For, as a number of recent stories in the US press have made amply clear, Bush is a religious man who takes his Christian faith seriously. And yet, if Jesus were alive today (!), the US State Department would likely criticize him for being a Jewish settler and an obstacle to peace.

"If God lived on earth, people would break his windows." ~ Jewish Proverb

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:20-22

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

>>>Today, in our church service, Laura and I prayed for the coalition
forces, those in the coalition forces who lost their lives. We pray for
their families. We ask God's comfort for those who mourn today. And we
thank all the coalition forces for their bravery and courage in Operation
Iraqi Freedom. <<<

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/23/sprj.irq.bush.transcript/

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath
anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up
the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of
the prison to them that are bound;
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of
vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn
;

9 posted on 03/26/2003 7:45:53 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: AmericanBabe
He has stated on more than one occasion, that he will not change foreign policy based on "focus groups".

When President Bush passes from this life he will answer to a focus group, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

"Didn't you read the Bible? Did you think I lied when I gave the Jews all of that land for eternity?"

10 posted on 03/26/2003 8:14:48 AM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: AmericanBabe
On a practical note, you really want to give statehood to people who cheered for '911?'

You want to give statehood to the ones who cheered for Hussein when U.S. GI's were desecrated on TV?

You hypocrite appeaser for supporting the war in Iraq, but then propping up the worst of all terrorists!

11 posted on 03/26/2003 8:18:38 AM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: Taiwan Bocks; AmericanBabe
"Did you think I lied when I gave the Jews all of that land for eternity?" That's exactly right. Anyone who settled in Palestine after the Jews were scattered in AD70 should have known that at best they were getting a lease. A lease that ran out when God would decide to return the Jews to the land that He had given them. And in fact, It's my understanding that in the first half of the last century, the arabs willingly sold to Israel 80% of the usuable farmland of the region and the Jews reclaimed a lot of land by draining swamps. But now that there is a Jewish state, the Arabs want to reneg on the deal.
12 posted on 03/26/2003 8:26:53 AM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: truthandlife; Thinkin' Gal
"palestine" is the occupied territory.

More than 3,000 years of History, going back to Joshua and the Gibeonitess, amply demonstate that when Israel trades parcels of the Promised Land for "peace," they are soon attacked from that occupied land by their "peace partners."

To the extent that President Bush fails to understand this, it will become a snare to him.



13 posted on 03/26/2003 8:36:50 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Taiwan Bocks
"Didn't you read the Bible? Did you think I lied when I gave the Jews all of that land for eternity?"


No, I don't think God "lied" because I'm not sure God ever made that promise in the first place. The Old Testament is made up of stories that were handed down person to person for thousands of years before they were actually recorded in a written language.
14 posted on 03/26/2003 8:39:45 AM PST by AmericanBabe
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To: Sabertooth
To the extent that President Bush fails to understand this, it will become a snare to him.

Are we already seeing the snare in Iraq? The worst wind storm in Iraq's history, a dificult campaign in Iraq (will take longer than expected), dead GI's being paraded on TV, etc. Only time will tell and I hope this is not the case. We need to pray for President Bush.

15 posted on 03/26/2003 8:42:47 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: Taiwan Bocks
"You want to give statehood to the ones who cheered for Hussein when U.S. GI's were desecrated on TV?

You hypocrite appeaser for supporting the war in Iraq, but then propping up the worst of all terrorists!"

Why do you think they have become terrorists? Are you able to evaluate the current situation with any type of logic?
16 posted on 03/26/2003 8:45:48 AM PST by AmericanBabe
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To: AmericanBabe
Jesus Christ was pretty clear with His clear statement that He did not come to change "one jot or tittle" of the law (that means the Torah, the first five books of the Bible.).

The God who created Monarch butterflies, and put star configurations in our visible space, He inspired the scriptures and miraculously put them all together. Nothing in the core information is out of line in the slightest, according to the Son of God.

Just like we witness to unbelievers, you gotta decide if Jesus was crazy or if He was the Son of God, like He said He was.

17 posted on 03/26/2003 8:48:07 AM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: truthandlife
Palestine is a bastard form of Philistine, which IS mentioned in the Bible.
Read David Fromkin, Peace to end All Peace for more insight.
18 posted on 03/26/2003 8:49:19 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (What do liberals have against a liberated Iraq?)
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To: AmericanBabe
Why do you think they have become terrorists?

Read the Koran.

Re-read the FReeper posts here you have skipped.

Moderate Islam is a Trojan Horse for militant Islam.

Arguing with your denial (and rebellion) is futile.

19 posted on 03/26/2003 8:51:47 AM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: truthandlife
Friends, I think the Israelis are in for a very difficult time once this war is over. I'm not Arab apologist of any sort, but merely an observer of the (likely) post-war political climate regarding ME policy

The pressure from the international community will be as severe as it has ever been to get a 2-state solution on track and moving. Heck, just this week during PM Questions Tony Blair was asked by an MP if he would take concrete steps to, "encourage the Israelis to dismantle their illegal settlements" once the war ends.

I think the massive negativity towards the US evident around the world will have the following effect on the American people: there's an inherent sense of "fairness" in proposing a 2-state solution, and US pressure on Israel to make concessions would go over favorably with the rest of the international community. Naturally, we Americans want to be liked and admired, so the average Joe isn't likely to brook any real or perceived Israeli intransigence in negotiations.

Personally, I'm tired of having to send billions in bribe--err, I mean "foreign aid"--money to keep the Egyptians and other Arab countries "at peace" with Israel. A post-war Iraq that is willing to recognize the state of Israel (with other Arab states willing to follow) in return for substantive, meaningful talks with the Israelis on the 2-state issue is going to get the full backing of both the White House and 10 Downing Street, mark my words.

We're currently removing a large sponsor of ME terrorism; it's high time we receive some sort of reciprocation from our Israeli friends after the war.

20 posted on 03/26/2003 8:53:19 AM PST by LincolnLover
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