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The Sedition Act of 1798
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Posted on 03/29/2003 9:18:29 AM PST by cgbg

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To: general_re
I think I hear the Viking Kittens approaching now...
21 posted on 03/29/2003 11:05:17 AM PST by inquest
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To: cgbg
I just don't like seeing the media get a free ride on their atrocious conduct during this war.

And your alternative is censorship? The cure is worse than the disease!

22 posted on 03/29/2003 11:10:39 AM PST by jude24 ("Facts? You can use facts to prove anything that's even REMOTELY true!" - Homer Simpson)
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To: beckett
The Alien and Sedition Act was clearly unconstitutional, and has been a blot on John Adams's record for two hundred years.

Tish-tush! This act was rammed though a Federalist controlled congress by the High Federalists ('ulta-conservative")splinter group based out of New England.

Adams was a "regular" (moderate)Federalist but, hoping to hold the party together thereby increasing his chances of winning the up coming presidental election, and knowing there were enough votes in Congress to override his veto anyway, he resigned himself to the Act.

23 posted on 03/29/2003 11:47:45 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: cgbg
Original draft of the Kentucky Legislature's Resolution against the Alien and Sedition Act, as written by Thomas Jefferson:

Draft of the Kentucky Resolutions

October, 1798

1. Resolved, That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force; that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.

2. Resolved, That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations, and no other crimes whatsoever; and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," therefore the act of Congress, passed on the 14th day of July, 1798, and intituled "An Act in addition to the act intituled An Act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States," as also the act passed by them on the __ day of June, 1798, intituled "An Act to punish frauds committed on the bank of the United States," (and all their other acts which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution,) are altogether void, and of no force; and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains solely and exclusively to the respective States, each within its own territory.

3. Resolved, That it is true as a general principle, and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the Constitution, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people;" and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, and were reserved to the States or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated, rather than the use be destroyed. And thus also they guarded against all abridgment by the United States of the freedom of religious opinions and exercises, and retained to themselves the right of protecting the same, as this State, by a law passed on the general demand of its citizens, had already protected them from all human restraint or interference. And that in addition to this general principle and express declaration, another and more special provision has been made by one of the amendments to the Constitution, which expressly declares, that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press:" thereby guarding in the same sentence, and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press: insomuch, that whatever violated either, throws down the sanctuary which covers the others, and that libels, falsehood, and defamation, equally with heresy and false religion, are withheld from the cognizance of federal tribunals. That, therefore, the act of Congress of the United States, passed on the 14th day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act in addition to the act intituled An Act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States," which does abridge the freedom of the press, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

4. Resolved, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the __ day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

5. Resolved, That in addition to the general principle, as well as the express declaration, that powers not delegated are reserved, another and more special provision, inserted in the Constitution from abundant caution, has declared that "the migration or importation of such persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year 1808;" that this commonwealth does admit the migration of alien friends, described as the subject of the said act concerning aliens: that a provision against prohibiting their migration, is a provision against all acts equivalent thereto, or it would be nugatory: that to remove them when migrated, is equivalent to a prohibition of their migration, and is, therefore, contrary to the said provision of the Constitution, and void.

6. Resolved, That the imprisonment of a person under the protection of the laws of this commonwealth, on his failure to obey the simple order of the President to depart out of the United States, as is undertaken by said act intituled "An Act concerning aliens," is contrary to the Constitution, one amendment to which has provided that "no person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law;" and that another having provided that "in all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to public trial by an impartial jury, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence," the same act, undertaking to authorize the President to remove a person out of the United States, who is under the protection of the law, on his own suspicion, without accusation, without jury, without public trial, without confrontation of the witnesses against him, without hearing witnesses in his favor, without defence, without counsel, is contrary to the provision also of the Constitution, is therefore not law, but utterly void, and of no force: that transferring the power of judging any person, who is under the protection of the laws, from the courts to the President of the United States, as is undertaken by the same act concerning aliens, is against the article of the Constitution which provides that "the judicial power of the United States shall be vested in courts, the judges of which shall hold their offices during good behavior;" and that the said act is void for that reason also. And it is further to be noted, that this transfer of judiciary power is to that magistrate of the General Government who already possesses all the Executive, and a negative on all legislative powers.

7. Resolved, That the construction applied by the General Government (as is evidenced by sundry of their proceedings) to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," and "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof," goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their power by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument: that the proceedings of the General Government under color of these articles, will be a fit and necessary subject of revisal and correction, at a time of greater tranquillity, while those specified in the preceding resolutions call for immediate redress.

8th. Resolved, That a committee of conference and correspondence be appointed, who shall have in charge to communicate the preceding resolutions to the legislatures of the several States; to assure them that this commonwealth continues in the same esteem of their friendship and union which it has manifested from that moment at which a common danger first suggested a common union: that it considers union, for specified national purposes, and particularly to those specified in their late federal compact, to be friendly to the peace, happiness and prosperity of all the States: that faithful to that compact, according to the plain intent and meaning in which it was understood and acceded to by the several parties, it is sincerely anxious for its preservation: that it does also believe, that to take from the States all the powers of self-government and transfer them to a general and consolidated government, without regard to the special delegations and reservations solemnly agreed to in that compact, is not for the peace, happiness or prosperity of these States; and that therefore this commonwealth is determined, as it doubts not its co-States are, to submit to undelegated, and consequently unlimited powers in no man, or body of men on earth: that in cases of an abuse of the delegated powers, the members of the General Government, being chosen by the people, a change by the people would be the constitutional remedy; but, where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every State has a natural right in cases not within the compact, (casus non foederis,) to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them: that nevertheless, this commonwealth, from motives of regard and respect for its co-States, has wished to communicate with them on the subject: that with them alone it is proper to communicate, they alone being parties to the compact, and solely authorized to judge in the last resort of the powers exercised under it, Congress being not a party, but merely the creature of the compact, and subject as to its assumptions of power to the final judgment of those by whom, and for whose use itself and its powers were all created and modified: that if the acts before specified should stand, these conclusions would flow from them; that the General Government may place any act they think proper on the list of crimes, and punish it themselves whether enumerated or not enumerated by the Constitution as cognizable by them: that they may transfer its cognizance to the President, or any other person, who may himself be the accuser, counsel, judge and jury, whose suspicions may be the evidence, his order the sentence, his officer the executioner, and his breast the sole record of the transaction: that a very numerous and valuable description of the inhabitants of these States being, by this precedent, reduced, as outlaws, to the absolute dominion of one man, and the barrier of the Constitution thus swept away from us all, no rampart now remains against the passions and the powers of a majority in Congress to protect from a like exportation, or other more grievous punishment, the minority of the same body, the legislatures, judges, governors, and counsellors of the States, nor their other peaceable inhabitants, who may venture to reclaim the constitutional rights and liberties of the States and people, or who for other causes, good or bad, may be obnoxious to the views, or marked by the suspicions of the President, or be thought dangerous to his or their election, or other interests, public or personal: that the friendless alien has indeed been selected as the safest subject of a first experiment; but the citizen will soon follow, or rather, has already followed, for already has a sedition act marked him as its prey: that these and successive acts of the same character, unless arrested at the threshold, necessarily drive these States into revolution and blood, and will furnish new calumnies against republican government, and new pretexts for those who wish it to be believed that man cannot be governed but by a rod of iron: that it would be a dangerous delusion were a confidence in the men of our choice to silence our fears for the safety of our rights: that confidence is everywhere the parent of despotism — free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power: that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no further, our confidence may go; and let the honest advocate of confidence read the alien and sedition acts, and say if the Constitution has not been wise in fixing limits to the government it created, and whether we should be wise in destroying those limits. Let him say what the government is, if it be not a tyranny, which the men of our choice have conferred on our President, and the President of our choice has assented to, and accepted over the friendly strangers to whom the mild spirit of our country and its laws have pledged hospitality and protection: that the men of our choice have more respected the bare suspicions of the President, than the solid right of innocence, the claims of justification, the sacred force of truth, and the forms and substance of law and justice. In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. That this commonwealth does therefore call on its co-States for an expression of their sentiments on the acts concerning aliens, and for the punishment of certain crimes herein before specified, plainly declaring whether these acts are or are not authorized by the federal compact. And it doubts not that their sense will be so announced as to prove their attachment unaltered to limited government, whether general or particular. And that the rights and liberties of their co-States will be exposed to no dangers by remaining embarked in a common bottom with their own. That they will concur with this commonwealth in considering the said acts as so palpably against the Constitution as to amount to an undisguised declaration that that compact is not meant to be the measure of the powers of the General Government, but that it will proceed in the exercise over these States, of all powers whatsoever: that they will view this as seizing the rights of the States, and consolidating them in the hands of the General Government, with a power assumed to bind the States, not merely as the cases made federal, (casus foederis,) but in all cases whatsoever, by laws made, not with their consent, but by others against their consent: that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen, and live under one deriving its powers from its own will, and not from our authority; and that the co-States, recurring to their natural right in cases not made federal, will concur in declaring these acts void, and of no force, and will each take measures of its own for providing that neither these acts, nor any others of the General Government not plainly and intentionally authorized by the Constitution, shall be exercised within their respective territories.

9th. Resolved, That the said committee be authorized to communicate by writing or personal conferences, at any times or places whatever, with any person or person who may be appointed by any one or more co-States to correspond or confer with them; and that they lay their proceedings before the next session of Assembly.


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24 posted on 03/29/2003 11:53:47 AM PST by sourcery (The Oracle on Mount Doom)
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To: yankeedame
I accept your softening of Adams' responsibility for the act.
25 posted on 03/29/2003 12:06:07 PM PST by beckett
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To: yankeedame
This act was rammed though a Federalist controlled congress by the High Federalists ('ulta-conservative")splinter group based out of New England.

The Federalists, having argued during ratification of the Constitution that the Bill of Rights was not needed to protect freedom of the press, then turned around and blatantly violated the First Amendment with the Sedition Act. It is no wonder that they disappeared as a party from the national scene. Their philosophical descendants are today's Democrats, who restrict political free speech though such means as unconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform.

26 posted on 03/29/2003 12:16:47 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: cgbg
Sorry, but a reprint of the Declaration of Independence would violate this act.

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. The signers of the Declaration represented the new states as follows: New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

27 posted on 03/29/2003 12:23:15 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Starstruck
Paragraphs are your friend.
28 posted on 03/29/2003 12:26:48 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I'm properly chastened. A few glasses of (non-French) wine make me lazy.

I

will

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again.

29 posted on 03/29/2003 12:34:39 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Starstruck
Ah, but my friend, the Declaration of Independence was/is just that- a document stating the act of, and the reason why, we (the American colonies) were declaring ourselves free from Britain...yada, yada, yada.
It wasn't any sort of legal document.
30 posted on 03/29/2003 1:44:52 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: yankeedame
I totally agree that declaring ourselves independent was an illegal act. However the fact they placed paragraghs in the proper place gave the appearance of legitimacy, which in the course of human events is the most important thing.
31 posted on 03/29/2003 2:00:26 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: rustbucket
The Federalists, having argued during ratification of the Constitution...

Ratifing the Constitution, of course, took place on a state by state level, over a long period of time. Doubltlessly, there was a concerted effort in-state among Federalist (and Republicans) but certainly, given the physcial conditons of the new nation and technology of the time, it's hard to imagin any sort of real inter-state "game-plan".

that the Bill of Rights was not needed to protect freedom of the press...

As I understand it, the Bill of Rights, orginially numbering 20 and later pared down to 10, was created/established to bring states into the fold. I know Alexander Hamilton was against the Bill of Rights in the belief that the minute you start defining something you start limiting it. (Which I once heard a man of the cloth use to explain the Almighty. The moment you begin to "explain" God, you begin to limit Him.)

...then turned around and blatantly violated the First Amendment with the Sedition Act....

No arguement here.

It is no wonder that they disappeared as a party from the national scene....

Well, I suspect the Sedition Act wasn't the main reason the Federalist Party collasped, but I suspect it was the final clod of dirt on its coffin.

32 posted on 03/29/2003 2:03:06 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Starstruck
I totally agree that declaring ourselves independent was an illegal act. However the fact they placed paragraghs in the proper place gave the appearance of legitimacy, which in the course of human events is the most important thing.

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LOL! Well, yes...yes, come to think of it...I suppose it does!

P.S. Drat that name of yours! I have given up doughnuts for Lent and I keep reading your name as "Starbucks" which reminds me of coffee, which reminds me of doughnuts...which set my mouth to watering and my tummy to growling!

33 posted on 03/29/2003 2:09:03 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: yankeedame
Only 3 more weeks til doughnuts. My name is actually is a badge of humility to remind myself of the fulility of placing my faith in the legal community to make things right.
34 posted on 03/29/2003 2:27:11 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: yankeedame
Ratifing the Constitution, of course, took place on a state by state level, over a long period of time. Doubltlessly, there was a concerted effort in-state among Federalist (and Republicans) but certainly, given the physcial conditons of the new nation and technology of the time, it's hard to imagin any sort of real inter-state "game-plan".

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought the Hamiltonian argument against a Bill of Rights arose during the convention that wrote the Constitution. While ratification was indeed state by state, the drafting of the Constitution was done by people from the various states at a single convention convened for that purpose. Nothing prevented Federalists from continuing their arguments in later state ratification conventions.

Federalists in general argued against a Bill of Rights. Here, for example, is the Federalist James Wilson, later a Supreme Court Justice, arguing much like Hamilton:

Hence, it is evident, that in the former case everything which is not reserved is given; but in the latter the reverse of the proposition prevails, and everything which is not given is reserved. This distinction being recognized, will furnish an answer to those who think the omission of a bill of rights a defect in the proposed constitution; for it would have been superfluous and absurd to have stipulated with a federal body of our own creation, that we should enjoy those privileges of which we are not divested, either by the intention or the act that has brought the body into existence. For instance, the liberty of the press, which has been a copious source of declamation and opposition -- what control can proceed from the Federal government to shackle or destroy that sacred palladium of national freedom?

What indeed! I was surprised to learn that George Washington supported the Sedition Act. If the Federalists had succeeded in stiffling dissent with this act, then the First Amendment's protections would be worthless. All of the 25 people arrested under the Sedition Act were Republican supporters and critics of the ruling party.

35 posted on 03/29/2003 2:45:23 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket; yankeedame
I think you both are making an assumption that isn't necessarily true. It doesn't appear to me that the Sedition Act violated the first amendment. All it did was criminalize libel in certain instances. Since libel itself was already illegal (though dealt with through civil rather than criminal process), it apparently wasn't protected by that amendment. Changing the method of enforcement, therefore, isn't going to violate it either.
36 posted on 03/29/2003 3:20:15 PM PST by inquest
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To: inquest
It doesn't appear to me that the Sedition Act violated the first amendment. All it did was criminalize libel in certain instances. ... Changing the method of enforcement, therefore, isn't going to violate it either.

Perhaps you are right. The Sedition Act was enforced in a partisan manner with one party using it against their opposition. In practice it worked to threaten and quiet the opposition press. See: William Duane Sedition Case.

Or scroll down the following site to see the case of Thomas Cooper: (Thomas Cooper), including:

Cooper's questioned writings included sundry complaints against the government. ... assertions that the country had been saddled with the expense of a permanent navy and a standing army; that the government had foolishly borrowed money at 8 percent in time of peace; that Adams's statements about the French "might justly have provoked war"; and that Adams had interfered with the proceedings of a court of law. ... Cooper pleaded not guilty and used the truth as a defense.

Also from that same site:

Hamilton, denied a war, felt betrayed and wrote The Public Conduct and Character of John Adams, Esq., President of the United States. Had that pamphlet, which ruthlessly attacked President Adams, come from the pen of a Republican, it would no doubt have landed the author in prison for sedition. That Hamilton could get away with such an attack confirms the partisan character of the Sedition Act.

37 posted on 03/29/2003 5:48:57 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: inquest
I ran across more sedition cases in "What Kind of Nation, Thomas Jefferson, John Marshall, and the Epic Struggle to Create a United States" by James F. Simon.

Republican Congressman Matthew Lyon argued that prominent Federalists and President Adams were consumed with their own importance and power. He was arrested and tried under the Sedition Act. He was found guilty, fined $1,000 and sentenced to four months in jail.

Then there was the case of the editor of the Boston Independent Chronicle, Thomas Adams. He "attacked the Sedition Act as the enemy of constitutional freedom and alerted his readers to the Federalists' attempt to 'screen from scrutiny the conduct of your own government and to silence by an argument of force the remonstrances of reason.' " He was indicted under the Sedition act for "sundry libelous and seditious publications," but he died before he could be tried.

38 posted on 03/29/2003 6:14:01 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: inquest
I think you both are making an assumption that isn't necessarily true. It doesn't appear to me that the Sedition Act violated the first amendment. All it did was criminalize libel in certain instances. Since libel itself was already illegal (though dealt with through civil rather than criminal process), it apparently wasn't protected by that amendment. Changing the method of enforcement, therefore, isn't going to violate it either.

I believe it was not so much the Act, per se, as it was the expanded, indeed sweeping defination of sedition, and the clearly (at least to those at the time) partisian nature of the Act. And Act which made it a crime Federal crime to engage in...

"...any false, scandalous or malicious writing or writings against the Government of the United States, or either House of Congress, or the United States, with intent to defame...or bring them...to contempt or disrepute..."

The open end defination of the Acts words, e.g. false, scandalous, intent, defame, et. al., was, IMHO, the Act's very heart of darkness.

39 posted on 03/29/2003 7:46:46 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: cgbg

I just don't like seeing the media get a free ride on their atrocious conduct during this war.

Neither do I, but I don't support shredding the First Amendment because of some of the media's conduct. You simply seek out pro-American media like Fox News, World Net Daily, the Washington Times, etc. I know this is overused, but if we shred the First Amendment because the actions of a few fringe media outlets, we become no better than the Iraqis.

40 posted on 03/30/2003 9:29:09 AM PST by Sparta (Support the liberation of Iraq)
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