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Show of Shia power unsettles the allies
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 04/23/03 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 04/22/2003 2:27:14 PM PDT by Pokey78

SCENES of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shia Muslims expressing their newfound political power on the streets of Iraq’s cities are causing growing concern in Western and Arab capitals.

A fortnight after American and British troops deposed Saddam Hussein’s regime, there is a growing consensus that the only credible force to have emerged in the country is the Shia clergy and its followers, many of whom advocate the creation of an Iranian-style Islamic state.

“There is real concern,” a senior British official said. “The Iraqi Shia are the only group to have made any real impact so far. There was a feeling that the Shia were more secular than those in Iran. Now we are not so sure.”

The United States and Britain have vowed to replace Saddam’s dictatorship with a democratic government representing all of Iraq’s ethnic and religious groups.

Jay Garner, the retired US Army general in charge of Iraq’s civil administration, said: “The new government of Iraq will have one leader, one army, one government.”

But that vision of a multi-ethnic democracy could be seriously challenged by the Shia, who make up more than 60 per cent of the Iraqi population and traditionally have been excluded from power by the minority Sunni Muslim community.

Brutalised by decades of oppression by Saddam, the Shias have wasted no time filling the power vacuum left by the overthrow of the Baathist regime. Already Shia clerics are in complete control of the Baghdad suburb of Sadr city, a slum of two million people. They also run several southern towns, including al-Kut and the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala, where a million Shia pilgrims are expected to worship today.

They have also told American and British forces that they will not tolerate any prolonged occupation of Iraq. “In the begining, our opposition to foreign occupation will be expressed by peaceful means,” Sheikh Qaazem al- Nasari, a leading Shia, said. “If, after a certain point, non- violence produces no result, we will then have to decide what to do.”

The threat will not be taken idly. Martyrdom is an integral part of the Shia culture. In the 1980s Shia militants used suicide bombings against US Marines and the American Embassy in Beirut to drive the US out of Lebanon and later Israel.

Three main Shia factions have emerged in Iraq over the past weeks. Sayed Muqtada al-Sadr, 22, whose father and two brothers were killed by Saddam in 1999, is the newest and most aggressive political force in the land. His followers are blamed for the murder of Abdul Majid al-Khoei, a rival Shia leader with close links to Tony Blair and the Bush Administration. He is also accused of intimidating Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most senior Shia religious leader in the country.

Ayatollah Muhammad Baqr al-Hakim, who heads the Supreme Council for Islamic Resistance in Iraq, is supported and armed by Iran. Some Iraqis fear that he plans to return home from exile in Tehran to emulate the late Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, who seized power after the revolution that overthrew the Shah of Iran and established a strict Islamic state.

Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, made clear yesterday that America would not tolerate an Iranian-style theocracy hijacking its plans for democracy in Iraq. The Iraqi state “has to be in accordance with those principles of democratic freedom and tolerance”, he said. “That is not inconsistent with a state that has religious elements to it.”

He added: “Iran certainly is not an example of democracy or a country in which people are free. So certainly we want to make certain that (Saddam’s regime) is not replaced by another type of dictatorship.”

The US military authorities insist that they have plans to address the problem. On Saturday they will host a meeting of Iraqi leaders in Baghdad — part of consultations to encourage leaders to form an interim authority. However, most of the main Shia groups have boycotted the process.

Faleh Jabar, an Iraqi academic at Birkbeck College, London University, said: “These people are winning by default because nothing is being done to encourage the silent majority in Iraq, those who favour a civil administration. What we are witnessing is mob rule. Unless something is done to counter it, the country could be plunged into civil war.”

Nevertheless, the Bush Administration insists that it is still too early to write off hopes of building a democratic future for Iraq. Sources in Washington played down the Shia demonstrations as a predictable expression of post-Saddam fervour, rather than evidence of an overwhelming political force for theocracy.

US officials driving post- conflict policy in Washington see the protests as one of the many political trends among Iraqi Shia. They believe that the more democratic Islamic forces, who hold strong religious views but do not believe in imposing them on others, form a quieter majority that will hold sway in the end.

Washington believes that Shia hardliners, who include a violently anti-Western faction, are so splintered that they will be unable to present a unified position. Officials also believe that ties between the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, one of the more hardline groups, and Iran will loosen as Iraq’s new government emerges, reducing the influence of Tehran’s conservatives on Iraqi politics.

The line-up of Shia leaders

Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani

The most senior Shia religious figure in Iraq, he was held under house arrest by Saddam for 15 years. Sistani, 73, is based in Najaf, the centre of Shia religious thought for more than a thousand years. His belief that clerics should advise but not govern is popular with the Americans.

Muqtada al-Sadr

The son of the revered cleric Ayotallah Mohammed Sadeq al-Sadr, murdered by Saddam’s secret police in 1999. Men loyal to al-Sadr, 22, were implicated in the murder last week of Sheikh Majid al-Khoie, a Western-backed rival. He is believed to be behind a move to force Sistani into exile, and is popular with young Shias.

Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim

In Iran since 1980, al-Hakim, 63, is head of the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq, and is backed by Iran. Before the war he was the most prominant Shia leader but many are suspicious of his links with Iran.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alhakim; alsadr; civiladministration; democracy; interimauthority; iraqifreedom; jabar; jaygarner; khomeini; order; powerstruggle; shiamuslims; sistani
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1 posted on 04/22/2003 2:27:16 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
If it scares the allies, it must scare the fire out of the Sunni Iraqis.
2 posted on 04/22/2003 2:30:18 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Pokey78
Now we get to find out what happens when Saddam's secular government isn't in force.

I think this will be the first real test of our experiment in Iraq. Separation of church and state will have to be enforced or else we are begging for trouble now, and in the future.

3 posted on 04/22/2003 2:32:17 PM PDT by risk
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To: Pokey78
Lovely people.
4 posted on 04/22/2003 2:32:38 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Pokey78
Perhaps some of these guys need to take a vacation.
5 posted on 04/22/2003 2:33:02 PM PDT by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: The Vast Right Wing
I often wonder how some of these reporters are able to muster the courage to step out of their houses in order to get to work.
6 posted on 04/22/2003 2:35:44 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: risk
"Separation of church and state will have to be enforced or else we are begging for trouble now, and in the future. "

With the Shiites in the majority, I think we are going to have trouble structuring the government in such a way so as to protect the rights of the minorities. Could be wrong, but it really depends on how many shiites are willing to stand up for those rights.

One thing that will help is the way they are dividing the country under a federal system. I suspect though that if you think the Federal system get's abused in our country, that Iraq is going to teach our politicians us some new tricks.

7 posted on 04/22/2003 2:36:28 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Pokey78
Oh, for a second I thought someone said that there was a sars outbreak at these pilgrimages. It would sure spread like wildfire.
8 posted on 04/22/2003 2:36:28 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Pokey78
"They have also told American and British forces that they will not tolerate any prolonged occupation of Iraq. “In the begining, our opposition to foreign occupation will be expressed by peaceful means,” Sheikh Qaazem al- Nasari, a leading Shia, said. “If, after a certain point, non- violence produces no result, we will then have to decide what to do.”

Takes brass or nuts to say such a thing in light of our overwhelming force just displayed in their backyard. Rise up against coalition forces, and they may learn the meaning of 'shock and awe' in personal terms.

9 posted on 04/22/2003 2:39:12 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
Iranian agents are likely behind much of the agitation. We better move fast to put a stop to them or this will get out of control.
10 posted on 04/22/2003 2:39:20 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: DannyTN
One thing that will help is the way they are dividing the country under a federal system.

Good idea. I'm sure Garner is going to have plenty of political advice about such matters, but it wouldn't hurt to see if you could get involved.

I've been speculating that Iraq would become a sort of laboratory for American political experimentation. I think it's exciting, but unless we have the will to protect our investment and civil rights, we could see some frightening futures unfolding.

11 posted on 04/22/2003 2:40:16 PM PDT by risk
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To: Pokey78
Ari added: “Iran certainly is not an example of democracy or a country in which people are free."

Give 'em hell, Ari!
12 posted on 04/22/2003 2:41:11 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberate Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, NK, Cuba...; Support the Troops!)
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To: StolarStorm
Iranian agents are likely behind much of the agitation.

Absolutely -- I see this as being a 99% liklihood. Much the way we are dabbling in political experimentation in Iraq (and for the betterment of everyone involved I might add) Iranian zealots are probably doing so. They as much as said they would, and we've caught several of them already, as far as I recall.

13 posted on 04/22/2003 2:41:56 PM PDT by risk
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To: anniegetyourgun
" Rise up against coalition forces, and they may learn the meaning of 'shock and awe' in personal terms."

Last night,on O'Reilly, Col Hunt said we are "going to have to whack some of these guys",before they get out of control. Lt Col Cowan said something similar,but,in a more PC way.Either way,it appears there is more house cleaning to be done in Iraq.

14 posted on 04/22/2003 2:45:26 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Pokey78
"The enemies of Christ will collapse like a deflated ballon." I see very rough times ahead for all Islamic fanatics.
15 posted on 04/22/2003 2:45:46 PM PDT by Russell Scott (The UN is a hellish beast, which gives evil, vile despots a veneer of legitimacy.)
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To: Pokey78
“There is real concern,” a senior British official said. “The Iraqi Shia are the only group to have made any real impact so far. There was a feeling that the Shia were more secular than those in Iran. Now we are not so sure.”

oops

16 posted on 04/22/2003 2:47:43 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: risk
And I got flamed mercilessly back on April 10 when I suggested that all the neatly and professionally-printed signs and banners are the protests came from Iran. There they were in a city with no electricity carrying all these perfectly-produced posters and banners.

Of COURSE this trouble is coming from Iran. They're in big trouble back home and the LAST thing they need next door is a country with freedom.

Michael

17 posted on 04/22/2003 2:47:58 PM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: risk
I think this will be the first real test of our experiment in Iraq. Separation of church and state will have to be enforced or else we are begging for trouble now, and in the future.

This can only be accomplished if WE impose a constitution like we did in Japan and Germany. But that wont happen with this pussy "we're not occupiers...please don't hate us" mentality. Ideally the Iraqis should have their rights, but OUR security and economic interests come first. We must establish a stong base in Basra and insist on pro-American governments from now on. It is naive to adopt the neocons blind belief that we're ging to see a Jeffersonian democracy any day now. Arabs respect only the use of power. We must protect our interests first and foremost.

18 posted on 04/22/2003 2:50:39 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Pokey78
It felt great for us to go over there and kick their a--ses and round up the the bad guys, etc. And it is constructive to show the world that we can go anywhere and crush anyone, if they go too far and really tick us off. So on the whole, to this point, the attack on Iraq was positive and well worth it.

But it was and is niave in the extreme for the Bushies to think that we could bring democracy to the country or establish some sort of model for the rest of the Middle East.

Bush should start pulling out now, before it gets worse, and say, "Hey, our job is done; we never intended to try our hand at "nation building" (in fact I campaigned against it.)
19 posted on 04/22/2003 2:50:56 PM PDT by Goodman26
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To: risk
Suppose we allow the Shi'a to proceed with forming an independent country, which would be an ally of Iran. Would this strengthen the theocracy in Iran, or serve to continue the foundering there? Right now, Iran is tottering on the brink of uncertainty, and may very well have to adopt a more secular government to regain stability. But a neighbor that has adopted a similar form of religious governance, just may be the bracing support the ayatollahs of Iran need to continue their own autocratic rule.
20 posted on 04/22/2003 2:56:54 PM PDT by alloysteel
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