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Santorum Comments Draw Fire (AP reporter married to former DSCC official)
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 | Brian Wilson

Posted on 04/23/2003 5:30:41 AM PDT by Hacksaw

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: seamole
wtf? Why would he be against ""the right to consensual sex within your home"?
61 posted on 04/23/2003 10:26:20 AM PDT by Vis Numar
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To: vikk
I found the transcript, parts of it are pretty funny:

AP: I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about "man on dog" with a United States senator, it's sort of freaking me out.

SANTORUM: And that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seeing it in our society.

I disagree with Santorum, I don't want his bedroom laws.

63 posted on 04/23/2003 10:36:09 AM PDT by Vis Numar
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To: seamole
OK, yea, that part of it makes sense then. I have read through the entire text twice now, and I cannot really make sense of what he is trying to say. I don't think that if the Supreme Court says, "Americans have an inalienable constitutional right to have consensual sex in their homes," that it would make all consensual sex legal. The solution to the problems you mention (incest, pedophilia, beastiality, polygamy) could be excluded by eliminating minors and abuse from this USSC grant of consensual sex rights. Why group homosexual activity with those acts named above which are clearly crimes against society.

I totally agree with him about marriage being about a man a woman, with children and all; I just think his statements of being pro-homosexual people at the same time he's anti-homosexual activities (of adults) in a lame nuance, and it's really not the business of government.

As for the Jordan's, this is one over-the-top political couple-- send them back to Dakota with Daschle in 2004.

64 posted on 04/23/2003 10:48:52 AM PDT by Vis Numar
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To: CA Conservative
He was talking about a whole range of sexual practices that could fall under the "privacy" exception, if the USSC decided to use that reasoning. The "clarification" was to raise the ire of a specific, very political group. If, as you suggest, he was obviously talking about gay sex, then the "clarification" was unnecessary. There was an agenda at play here by the reporter, and she got called for it.

I've been thinking about the consequences of the Supreme Court's eventual decision, not about Santorum's particular pickle. The transcript is enlightening. But I think his reasoning is probably not accurate. The Supreme Court can decide that the Texas law is now designed to limit the practices of one particular group (homosexuals), and therefore is an unconstitutional limitation of their rights, yet at the same time maintain that other practices are morally unacceptable and deeply repugnant to society, and therefore the State still can have laws against them. Incest and child molestation would be covered, both essentially by "age of consent" considerations, and I doubt that anyone would question the laws against marrying one's siblings. (And one wonders if Senator Santorum would have as much of a problem with that; it would constitute a heterosexual marriage relationship, of course, likely with the 'traditional' activities in the bedroom, too). Is it the particular act or the relationship that most concerns him?

65 posted on 04/23/2003 10:52:00 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Drango
the AP reporter was a former DSCC official

Where did you hear about that? Not that I'm doubting you, but I would like to cite something if I tell somebody about that.

You're tag line is one of the best I've seen.

66 posted on 04/23/2003 11:13:18 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: cogitator
The Supreme Court can decide that the Texas law is now designed to limit the practices of one particular group (homosexuals)...

You make this statement as if the law were designed to discriminate against a group defined by an immutable characteristic, i.e., race or sex. These laws affect people based on their behavior, their choice of sexual activity. What you are arguing is that homosexuality is inherently more moral than polygamy, incest, adultery, etc., and is therefore deserving of different treatment than these other sexual activities. What Sen. Santorum is saying is that if you allow one of these activites as a constitutional "right", then you must allow all of them under the equal protection argument.

Incest and child molestation would be covered, both essentially by "age of consent" considerations, and I doubt that anyone would question the laws against marrying one's siblings.

Incest would only be covered under the age of consent laws if one of the participants was under the age of consent (which is as low as 14 in some states). Child molestation was not even addressed in this statement. And I am sure you will find someone who thinks they should be able to marry their cousin or sister... The question that will be raised will not be whether it is morally repugnant, but whether the government can prevent it once a constitutional "right" to engage in any sexual activity involving consenting adults is established. Such a "right" could not be restricted to homosexuality, once established.

67 posted on 04/23/2003 11:16:00 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Vis Numar
I disagree with Santorum, I don't want his bedroom laws.Well I disagree with your disagreement.

This sounds like the NAMBLA wing of the Liberatarian Party line of logic. Not that you are, although I've read some of those kooks on here so I won't defend you until I can be sure.

While these bedroom laws strike terror in the hearts of some, we've always had them, and always need to in a civilized society. Santorums point in this is brilliant, honestly. Repealing these laws sets a dangerous legal precedent that could legally be used by said NAMBLA wing to slide us down a slippery slope of liberatarian extreamism, commonly understood as anarchy. I'd never thought about it this way till this DNC shill published it. Its a good thing she started this controversy.

68 posted on 04/23/2003 11:26:17 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: Vis Numar
As Justice Brandeis said: "We all have the right to be left alone." I can't imagine that much government control (read interference) could ever be a good thing.
69 posted on 04/23/2003 11:46:37 AM PDT by vikk
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To: Hacksaw
Her name is Lara Jakes Jordan. She is married to Jim Jordan, a former DSCC official who now manages Kerry's campaign.

Prior to marriage, Lara Jakes was the capital (Albany, NY)) reporter for the Times Union newspaper, otherwise known as the Times Useless.

Lara Jakes was extremely liberal and always inserted her extreme liberalism and pro-Demorat bias into her articles.

Lara Jakes created this story, it's more about her and her ideology than it is about Rick S.

70 posted on 04/23/2003 11:51:20 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: 3AngelaD
Lara Jakes is a LIBERAL ACTIVIST posing as a reporter.

I've met her, she formerly worked at the Albany Times Union.

If anyone really wants to know more about her they should ask NY Post's Frederic U. Dicker, their Albany reporter.

71 posted on 04/23/2003 11:55:36 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: Vis Numar
As Justice Brandeis said: "We all have the right to be left alone." I can't imagine that much government control (read interference) could ever be a good thing.
72 posted on 04/23/2003 12:03:48 PM PDT by vikk
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To: 3AngelaD
She seems to have a thing against Republicans, and is the same person who wrote this story last wee ... AP needs to be outed on this reporter.

You are not going to believe this, but I used to know the $%^#$%(^#$% that wrote the article that MISQUOTED Santorum. A few years ago she subscribed to a mailing list that I ran, and once asked to crash at my apartment when I lived in NYC. She arrived at my office, took one look at me, decided I wasn't attractive enough to even SPEAK TO, much less hang out with, and hemmed and hawed and backed out.

Boy oh boy oh boy, do I hope she is DESTROYED by this false quotation of Santorum.

I don't think I believe in God any more, that people like her get everything handed to them on a silver platter, and I'm stuck unemployed waiting to die alone. Evil does indeed rule this world.

73 posted on 04/23/2003 12:42:11 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: 3AngelaD
So Kerry's campaign manager is anti-Semite and anit-Christian?

How typical.
How uncreative.
How tiresome.

How vacant to the rest of the country that the man who wants to be King is an evil atheist (with apologies to all you moral atheists).
74 posted on 04/23/2003 12:53:54 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: 3AngelaD
Okay, so the wife of Kerry's campaign manager is also a gun-grabber?

Intersting.

Everything she is putting forth in her articles is pretty much what you can expect from King Kerry.
75 posted on 04/23/2003 12:56:36 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: familyofman
Well that is where you are wrong.

The very law for abortion protection and gay sex are the same.

And you are mistaken if you don't think the reporter and the candidate connection is relevant.
76 posted on 04/23/2003 12:58:37 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: vikk
Yes, but I can only handle one outrage a day.

I was all over HIPPA.
77 posted on 04/23/2003 12:59:35 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: tuckrdout
Check out how they are harassing the Salvation Army for their gay position.

They've threatened to have their Federal funds withdrawn or cut if they didn't go pro-Gay.

They need class protection like a moose needs an accordian.
78 posted on 04/23/2003 1:01:15 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: madg
So she took liberties?
79 posted on 04/23/2003 1:02:45 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: madg
If it was evident, they why the covert and liberal translation?

Why didn't she follow up with a question for clarity?

Oh, that's right - it wasn't a "real" interview. It was a "Take Back the Senate" policy plan.

80 posted on 04/23/2003 1:05:54 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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