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Iraqis Vow Revenge As Hatred Of US Grows
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-2-2003 | Alan Philps

Posted on 05/01/2003 7:41:25 PM PDT by blam

Iraqis vow revenge as hatred of US grows

By Alan Philps in Falluja
(Filed: 02/05/2003)

Hatred of the Americans is boiling on the streets of Falluja, where Iraqis lobbed grenades into the US military compound yesterday, wounding seven and damaging vehicles.

All over the town were banners calling on the Americans to go, while local people shook their fists at foreigners, vowing to take revenge.

Outside the mayor's office, which is next to the American compound, staff had hung an uncompromising banner: "Sooner or later, US killers, we will kick you out."

According to the mayor, Taha Bedeiwi, who is recognised by the US forces, 20 people have been shot dead by the Americans so far - 16 in a late-night incident on Monday and four more when a US convoy clashed with stone-throwing demonstrators on Wednesday.

The Americans insist that gunmen among the demonstrators fired first both times. Iraqis support this in the first incident but all the evidence for Wednesday's shooting is that it came in response only to some stone throwing. Witnesses said that the gunner of a Humvee fired his machinegun at the crowd, while ducking down inside the vehicle.

The Americans now find themselves in a blood feud with much of the city, which under Islamic law can be ended only by the payment of compensation.

"We demand compensation from the Americans, but we also demand our town back," said Sheikh Khalaf Abed el-Shebib, leader of one of the 35 clans that make up the town.

Searching for the ugliest comparison he could find, he said: "Even in Israel they do not shoot children in such numbers when they throw stones in a demonstration."

After appeals from the US military, the tribal and religious leaders ordered a break from demonstrations yesterday, but the town was braced for more trouble after Friday prayers today.

The town has offered peace with the Americans if they pull out of the centre and set up a post at the railway station from where they can mount patrols.

But the crisis seems beyond such a simple solution, now that religious and social passions have been inflamed.

The soldiers, in their helmets, body armour and gadgetry slung from neck, belt and thigh, look like warriors from a video game. Unlike the British troops in Basra, they have made no attempt to establish eye contact with the local people or talk to anyone except the mayor and his officials.

The 82nd Airborne - one of the toughest elements in the US military - is ill-equipped to control crowds. The soldiers have no tear gas, and to disperse the first demonstration outside a school they were occupying they fired smoke grenades - a dangerous weapon in a country where everyone knows that the Saddam regime used poison gas.

The 82nd Airborne is now moving out, to be replaced by other units.

It is a deeply confusing situation and nowhere is the split personality of the Iraqis after the fall of Saddam more visible than in the mayor's office.

During a news conference the mayor admitted that there were "bad elements" in the crowds, a phrase his interpreter chose to translate as "patriots". After the mayor had finished speaking, an aide emerged to tell journalists to ignore everything the interpreter had said.

The mayor is a mystery to the Americans. He was chosen by the local tribal and religious leaders after the fall of the Saddam regime, claiming he had been persecuted and driven into exile.

However, local people say that he is a rich man who spent five months in the United Arab Emirates, not a political exile. Getting to the bottom of this will be a learning experience for the Americans.

A British officer commented: "They rely too much on technology and hide behind their defences. They have to get out and meet the people and really find out what is going on."


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1 posted on 05/01/2003 7:41:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Falluja sounds like a hornets nest of left-over Baathist loyalist that needs a good cleaning out.

Prairie
2 posted on 05/01/2003 7:44:53 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (America's President George W. Bush....totally rocks!!!)
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To: blam
Iraqis vow revenge as hatred of US grows

Let me guess. They are going to roast our stomachs in the pits of hell.

3 posted on 05/01/2003 7:46:05 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Texaggie79
Searching for the ugliest comparison he could find, he said: "Even in Israel they do not shoot children in such numbers when they throw stones in a demonstration."
4 posted on 05/01/2003 7:46:54 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: blam
The 82nd Airborne - one of the toughest elements in the US military - is ill-equipped to control crowds. The soldiers have no tear gas, and to disperse the first demonstration outside a school they were occupying they fired smoke grenades - a dangerous weapon in a country where everyone knows that the Saddam regime used poison gas.

Huh? This whole article is very confused. Here the author implies that tear gas (which would produce poison gas-like symptoms) would have been better than a smoke grenade.

The title is also wrong. It should read something like this: "Saddam Sympathizers Vow Revenge".

5 posted on 05/01/2003 7:50:31 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: prairiebreeze
That's an understatement Prairiebreeze
6 posted on 05/01/2003 7:50:47 PM PDT by MeekMom ((HUGE Ann Coulter Fan!!!) (Life-long Python Addict))
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To: blam
US Troops should do Iraq a favor and clean out this rat's nest.
These are Saddam loyalists and unsurrendered enemies trying to stir up hostilities among the locals...hoping for the failure of a free and democratic govt in Iraq.

They are a minority who want to screw up the new Iraq. Americans will weed them out with the help of other Iraqis.

7 posted on 05/01/2003 7:53:42 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: blam
"The Americans insist that gunmen among the demonstrators fired first both times. Iraqis support this in the first incident but all the evidence for Wednesday's shooting is that it came in response only to some stone throwing. Witnesses said that the gunner of a Humvee fired his machinegun at the crowd, while ducking down inside the vehicle."

Here's a suggestion: DON'T THROW ROCKS AT PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS! Sheesh, I'm always amazed at how Arab types love to bring rocks to a gunfight.

I'm also getting tired of the ingratitude that many of these people who we liberated have shown. Maybe it's time we leave them to the next piss-ant dictator who will come along and kill them. In fact, as we leave we should distribute flyers stating that we believe Saddam Hussein is alive and waiting to re-enter Iraq from a safe location.

10 posted on 05/01/2003 7:56:32 PM PDT by yooper
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To: blam
These same Iraqis wouldn't dare try this crap when Saddam's regime was in power because they were scared to death to do so. Power is the only language they respect and understand. If we simply mow down these grenade-lobbing sons-of-camels a few times in full view of the general populace, they'll start behaving themselves.
11 posted on 05/01/2003 7:57:50 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: blam

Ooooooh, now that our entire country's armed forces have been destroyed, we're going to frighten you evil Americans with really tough talk!

< /MOCKING >

12 posted on 05/01/2003 7:58:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"If we simply mow down these grenade-lobbing sons-of-camels a few times in full view of the general populace, they'll start behaving themselves."

True, but that's also precisely what the Left-wing reporters want us to do, so that they can then claim that we're no better than Saddam (something that even the accomplished liars of the Left can't even manage so far).

13 posted on 05/01/2003 8:00:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
True, but that's also precisely what the Left-wing reporters want us to do,

True enough, but what else can we do? A too passive approach to the situation would encourage more of the same, and the leftists would then claim that they were right all along -- that we never should've gone in there in the first place, and that the administration was presumptuous to believe that the Iraqi people would accept us as liberators.

14 posted on 05/01/2003 8:04:55 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: blam
A British officer commented: "They rely too much on technology and hide behind their defences. They have to get out and meet the people and really find out what is going on."

Was the Brit who said this in Falluja? If so, he sure gets around. I saw this same quote a week ago in another article talking about the situation in Basra.

Seems to be an agenda at work here.

15 posted on 05/01/2003 8:07:24 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: blam
Means spit, Falluja is a hot bed of Sadaminites, the other Iraqis would love to come in and decorate lamp posts with the creeps.
16 posted on 05/01/2003 8:11:19 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: BrooklynGOP; Justin Raimondo
"Even in Israel they do not shoot children in such numbers when they throw stones in a demonstration." Sheeeeeeeeeeete, you didn't think we were going to let Israel have ALL the fun now did you?
17 posted on 05/01/2003 8:13:08 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (YATTA!)
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To: Jorge; prairiebreeze
IMHO, you guys have it right. There were over 1/2 million members of the Ba'ath Party and its various police and political enforcement organizations. We haven't killed them all, nor have all of them run away, nor have we found them all and removed them from positions of power and influence. They are bound to resent us and try to cause trouble.

And there is another factor. As the folks on the receiving end of 30 years of discrimination from Saddam's largely secular and Sunni Arab Regiem, there must be plenty of Shi'ites just itching to give them "their turn in the barrel." Funny how some oppressed people can't wait to become the oppressors themselves. As far as the Allies are perceived as obsticles to this program of getting back at their enemies, we will be unwelcome.

VietVet
18 posted on 05/01/2003 8:14:14 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: blam
This is the current mantra of the liberal press. They'll insist that there was an alternative to combat action, that the country hates the U.S.A., children have no food, people had "jobs" under Saddam, Yada yada. However each liberal pinko must be engaged in this battle over the truth. So far our side is gaining ground and the liberal commie community has not made anything stick.
19 posted on 05/01/2003 8:15:46 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Mr. Mojo

Actually, you can always rest assured that we are already doing precisely the right thing if the reporters are going out of their way to criticize it.

In this case, our troops are ignoring the vain, blusterous words of the Iraqi provacatuers, while simultaneously shooting the trouble-makers (without "mowing down" entire crowds of protesters).

And after a while, the reporters will move on to an entirely different attack (I mean, now that half of the Iraqi treasures have been recovered, you sure don't hear much about the looting of that museum, know what I mean).

20 posted on 05/01/2003 8:16:35 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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