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On security and liberty: No permanence for Patriot Act
NH Sunday News ^ | 5/11/03

Posted on 05/11/2003 4:48:15 AM PDT by RJCogburn

WE WERE NEVER thrilled with the USA Patriot Act, the law that gave the feds expanded surveillance and law enforcement powers when in pursuit of terrorists. Like most Americans, we thought it an unpalatable but justifiable temporary measure in the longer war on terror. So when Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, proposed making the act permanent, we were alarmed. We could see no justification for giving the government such sweeping powers indefinitely. Happily, the U.S. Senate was just as alarmed. Last Thursday it became clear there were not enough votes in the Senate to make the Patriot Act permanent. With that knowledge in hand, Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, dropped his effort to extend the law indefinitely. It will now expire in 2005, as intended.

Instead of lengthening the Patriot Act, senators voted on Thursday to give the FBI moderately increased surveillance powers.

Currently, the FBI must meet three criteria to obtain search warrants from the federal Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The subject of investigation must be an agent of a recognized terrorist group or foreign organization, preparing an act of international terrorism, and the surveillance must be intended at least in part to gather intelligence about a foreign entity.

On Thursday the Senate voted 90-4 to remove the first of those three provisions. Under the new legislation, which still must pass the House and be signed by the President, the FBI could spy on an individual suspected of foreign terrorist activities without first having to prove he is connected to an already identified foreign terrorist group.

Had this provision been in place two years ago, the FBI probably would have been able to obtain search warrants to gather information from the personal computer of the alleged 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui.

The American people have both Democrats and Republicans to thank for squashing Sen. Hatch's attempt to extend the Patriot Act. Democrats were solidly opposed to it, as were leading Republicans. A spokesman for Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner Jr., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, told The Washington Post the extension of the Patriot Act "will happen over his dead body." It's comforting to know so many in Washington are trying hard to balance national security with the preservation of civil liberties.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: patriotact; sunsetprovision

1 posted on 05/11/2003 4:48:15 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
Good news, indeed.
2 posted on 05/11/2003 5:04:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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It's comforting to know so many in Washington are trying hard to balance national security with the preservation of civil liberties.

Oh, give me a break! It's good news that Hatch's tyrannous move was quashed -- for now. Yet if any genuine respect for such liberties existed, let alone an indefensible "balance" of such respect, the USA PATRIOT Act would have never passed in the first place.

Instead, Executive Branch demagogues such as Ari "Watch what you say" Fleischer induced these Congressional cowards to further gut the Fourth Amendment.

I put as much confidence in this Act being allowed to expire peaceably as I do about the "assault weapons" ban being similarly left to its scheduled demise. Next to none, that is.

3 posted on 05/11/2003 5:16:06 AM PDT by Greybird ("War is the health of the State." -- Randolph Bourne)
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To: RJCogburn
Much of the Act has no sunset provision.

4 posted on 05/11/2003 5:20:24 AM PDT by KDD
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To: KDD
"But you know we would never, ever, take any freedoms from you if it wasn't necessary". "This war on terror could last for generations". "We need conservative judges that will uphold the Constitution".
5 posted on 05/11/2003 6:18:53 AM PDT by meenie
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To: RJCogburn
No mention is made in the article if Section 802 of this obscene Act will be rescinded because it has NO expiration date as does the rest of the Act which was already to written to expire in 2005. Section 802 was originally written to be open-ended.
6 posted on 05/11/2003 7:01:58 AM PDT by poet
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To: RJCogburn
"...the FBI could spy on an individual, if he is neither a citizen nor holds a green card, suspected of foreign terrorist activities "

Hatch's act sure was strange. It is said to have been a parliamentary trick- but I've never seen an explanation of what he was up to.

7 posted on 05/11/2003 7:33:23 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Hatch's proposal was just a bargaining chip, that he was willing to withdraw in order to get the "lone wolf" or the so-called "Moussaoui fix" passed. This means is it no longer
necesary to show a link to a foreign government or a foreign terrorist group to get a FISA warrant. Top FBI officials say this is totally unnecessary, but DOJ and Senators like Specter and Hatch wanted it. The next step is that Americans can be targetted under the "lone wolf" provision.
8 posted on 05/11/2003 8:37:13 AM PDT by Weiser
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To: Weiser
Can you refer me to anything that backs up your characterization of Hatch's behavior?

"Top FBI officials say this is totally unnecessary"
Can you quote any?

The FISA law explicitly does not currently apply to anyone if it can not be shown they are an agent of a foreign power-
FISA appeal court ruling: "requirement that there be probable cause to believe the target is acting “for or on behalf of a foreign power.”... Similarly, FISA surveillance would not be authorized against a target engaged in purely domestic terrorism because the government would not be able to show that the target is acting for or on behalf of a foreign power."

The problem I see with this "lone wolf" bill is with a surveilled person who turns out not to be a terrorist and later gets a green card or citizenship- there is no requirement that info on him then be destroyed.

9 posted on 05/11/2003 9:26:52 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: RJCogburn
Same Story - Different Slant:


Senate GOP backs down on Patriot Act
Friday, May 09, 2003 - New York Times

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans backed down yesterday from an effort to make permanent the Patriot Act's sweeping anti-terrorism powers, clearing the way for passage of a less divisive measure that would still expand the government's ability to spy on foreign terrorist suspects in the United States.

10 posted on 05/11/2003 2:31:53 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: mrsmith
Yes, I could quote a top-level bureau official who told me
that, but it was not an on-the record interview, so I won't.
The "lone wolf" amendment changes the law, so they don't
have to show a link to a foreign government or terrorist group. If you think these laws are just going to be used
against the bad guys, think again.
11 posted on 05/17/2003 4:33:25 PM PDT by Weiser
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To: Weiser
Well, I've no doubt that a official told you that if you say so.

"The "lone wolf" amendment changes the law, so they don't have to show a link to a foreign government or terrorist group. "
Yes, now it applies to any non US person.
It would be impossible to apply FISA to US persons. But of course there are other ways they can go about it if neccessary.

BTW: Hatch on removing the sunset from the Patriot Act Here .

12 posted on 05/17/2003 5:12:10 PM PDT by mrsmith
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