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Visa's use provokes opposition by techies
L-1 regarded as threat to workers
sfgate ^
| 5/25/03
| Carrie Kirby, Chronicle Staff Writer
Posted on 05/25/2003 9:19:39 AM PDT by Drango
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:42:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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An obscure work visa known as the L-1 has become the center of a bitter controversy in the technology industry.
Much like the H-1B before it -- an equally obscure visa that rose to prominence when American workers complained they were being displaced by its recipients -- the L-1 is catching the ire of tech workers and the eye of government regulators who disagree on whether the visa is being used legally.
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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: l1; l1h1boutsourcing
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Indian workers
Year L-1 visas to all nationalities To Indians Proportion of
Indians
2001 59,384 11,908 20%
2002 57,721 17,812 31
2003 32,416 10,447 33
First 6 months
Source: State Department
Top nationalities for visa holders FY 2002:
India 17,812
Britain 6,711
Japan 6,122
Germany 2,916
Mexico 2,020
France 1,995
Total 57,721
Source: State Department
L-1 visa use by Indian outsourcers is increasing:
Wipro Infosys
2000 289 218
2001 510 292
2002 1,004 445
2003 1,157 1,760
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posted on
05/25/2003 9:19:40 AM PDT
by
Drango
To: Drango
Interesting site...http://www.nomoreh1b.com/
The Visa Count |
Year |
H-1B Visa |
L1 Visa |
1985 |
65,349 |
47,322 |
1990 |
63,180 |
100,446 |
1995 |
112,124 |
117,574 |
1996 |
140,457 |
144,458 |
1998 |
203,255 |
240,947 |
1999 |
234,443 |
302,326 |
2000 |
294,658 |
355,605 |
The L-1 visa does not require the worker to pay taxes H-1b: DOL/INS fails to update the IRS that a worker is here. We've interviewed dozens where payroll taxes were NOT withheld. Ask your favorite foreign tech worker if he has a pay stub! |
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posted on
05/25/2003 9:24:10 AM PDT
by
Drango
(There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
To: Drango
After Tata took over the project, Siemens let a dozen employees go, said spokeswoman Paula Davis...
"This is what they call outsourcing. I call it insourcing. Import foreign workers, mandate your American workers to train them, then lay off your Americans," said Michael Emmons, who left Siemens last fall just before his job there was to end. Emmons had worked as a contract computer programmer for the company for six years, first in San Jose, then in Florida. Interesting....
Siemens is a foreign (or "insourced") company.
To: Drango
"If an L-1 comes into the United States to work, they're coming to work for their specific company that petitioned for them, not for another company that they're being contracted out to. That would be a fraudulent use of an L-1 visa, " said Christopher Bentley, spokesman for the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, a division of the Department of Homeland Security that replaced Immigration and Naturalization Services. The bureau is assessing the L-1 and other visa programs for fraud, he said. Hopefully some individuals in these companies both those bringing in L1 visa people and the companies contracting for them will be prosecuted and do some jail time.
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posted on
05/25/2003 9:58:21 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Drango
Import foreign workers, mandate your American workers to train them, then lay off your Americans," Sounds like a sound business practice to improve your bottom line. It is good for the company, good for the company's consumers, good for the company's shareholders, good for the CEO, bad for the displaced employees, probably good for the non displaced employees.
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posted on
05/25/2003 10:00:36 AM PDT
by
staytrue
To: A. Pole
bump
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posted on
05/25/2003 10:20:51 AM PDT
by
Feldkurat_Katz
(if they are gay, why are they always complaining?)
To: staytrue
probably good for the non displaced employees Unless they have to pay taxes to support displaced employees, or accept later layoff because of decreased demand for the product or service.
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posted on
05/25/2003 10:26:15 AM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: Drango
Obligatory "There are no foreign workers taking US jobs for a third of the pay! Never!" bump
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posted on
05/25/2003 11:47:27 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
("There are no liars in our newsroom! Never!" - Baghdad Howie)
To: thoughtomator
I'm sure that they're also doing work that Americans don't want to do anymore.
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posted on
05/25/2003 11:53:31 AM PDT
by
sarcasm
(Tancredo 2004)
To: Drango
...and Tata Consultancy Services have stepped up their use of the L-1 visa to bring programmers and other professionals from India to work at the offices of U.S. clientsThis is no lie. Hillary showed up in Buffalo a couple months ago touting the establishment of Tata Consultancy Services offices here.
Talk about clueless. She was very proud of herself for the "economic development" she was bringing us.
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posted on
05/25/2003 2:29:18 PM PDT
by
BfloGuy
(The past is like a different country, they do things different there.)
To: sarcasm
I'm sure that they're also doing work that Americans don't want to do anymore. Or they cannot if it is not enough to pay the bills and support family. I think that Americans would do any job if the internal market regulated the wages.
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posted on
05/25/2003 4:27:43 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
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