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To: WRhine
I miss that grit that even pop bands of the 60s had like the Fifth Dimension. ...................

So true. Same for the Mamas and the Papas. Most of their stuff I cannot listen to but their hits are so beautiful. So immaculate. Monday Monday ...Can't trust that day

Just listen to the harmonies.

My original take on Zep is that their music is really folk music. In that it's under produced, under instrumented, minimalist compared to the pop garbage today. Remember that Zep was pop in it's day.

490 posted on 06/05/2003 11:06:02 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
In that it's under produced, under instrumented, minimalist compared to the pop garbage today. Remember that Zep was pop in it's day.

I think you have something there.

There is a reason that all the bands who try to sound like Zep wind up failing --they try too hard and over-produce their sound.

Listen to Jimmy's guitars. They are not that distorted nor that loud. Each instrument is just so well produced that it deceives the listener into thinking that there is something there that isn't.

I don't know if I'd call Zep "pop" as I tend to think of 1970s pop as AM radio top-40 which Zep never was. Keep in mind that like the Beatles, Stones and The Who, Zep never won nor was nominated for a grammy -the measure which defined and still defines "pop" music.

491 posted on 06/06/2003 8:52:45 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: dennisw
So true. Same for the Mamas and the Papas. Most of their stuff I cannot listen to but their hits are so beautiful. So immaculate. Monday Monday ...Can't trust that day

Just listen to the harmonies.

Those were indeed beautiful harmonies and many groups of that time, including the folk groups were centered around vocal harmonies. I don't know why this has become a lost art in today's music. It was music in its purest form.

My original take on Zep is that their music is really folk music. In that it's under produced, under instrumented, minimalist compared to the pop garbage today. Remember that Zep was pop in it's day.

I agree. Zep was a revolutionary band and constant experimentation was the foundation of everything they (especially Page) did. They brought in all kinds of influences ranging from folk, blues, heavy metal, good ol' rock and roll, Irish ballads even eastern music into the mix. And yes, instead of the constant flat blare of sound that defines much of the music today Zep like the Doors and others had airy depth about their music (even when Page and Bonham were raging) with frequent turns in their songs or changing rhythms. You can't achieve that degree of depth when you have a constant rumbling bass, keyboards, 2 guitars, an over busy drummer and screaming vocals all playing at the same time. Zep always kept it interesting--to say the least.

501 posted on 06/06/2003 11:56:44 AM PDT by WRhine
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