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To: Poohbah; darkwing104
"Stupidity isn't a crime, but the penalty tends to be swift, final, and not subject to appeal."

Yep. I know this to be true. I've made plenty of 'em and paid for plenty of 'em.

Some think I'm cold-hearted, but I know the only way a person gets anywhere is taking Responsibility for their own mistakes.

Some are worse than others of course, in this case the woman made more than one mistake. She has custody of little sra here in USA - what does she do? Lets her visit dad in Saudi Arabia..I mean that Lady should not be a whinin' now...
10 posted on 06/23/2003 1:03:51 PM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: Roughneck
Some are worse than others of course, in this case the woman made more than one mistake. She has custody of little sra here in USA - what does she do? Lets her visit dad in Saudi Arabia..I mean that Lady should not be a whinin' now...

I seem to remember this story from several years ago. I believe it invovled the Grand-mother and Mother. Sarah, then a minor, was kidnapped and taken to Suadi years ago. It was shown on 60 Minutes if I recall correctly.

18 posted on 06/23/2003 1:19:13 PM PDT by darkwing104
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To: Roughneck
Please read entire story before you become judgmental.
31 posted on 06/23/2003 1:42:35 PM PDT by JustPiper (You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
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To: Roughneck
I don't know the whole story here but the mother may not have had a choice on letting the child visit with her father. More than one parent has been court ordered to allow their children to visit with the other parent even in cases where the parent KNEW that the child was at risk of being snatched. The parent with custody is often threatened by the court with lost custody, no visitation, and jail if they refuse to allow the visit.

The courts will tell you that your suspicion is not grounds to refuse a visit - that the visits cannot be stopped just because you "think" they are going to do something - they cannot be stopped unless or until the noncustodial parent actually interferes with custody. By the time the court recognizes that the parent has snatched the child, the child may be in another country - and your chances of getting the kids back can be slim.

I know of one Mom in Texas who tried to stop a weekend visit for her son with her ex. In this case, the mom had received a credit card statement (her ex was still using her Am Ex) that showed 2 tickets to Cairo for that weekend. The mom showed that to the court, and the judge told her that he had no way to be sure that the father intended not to return the child. He threatened the mom with loss of custody and visitation if she didn't allow the visit.

She allowed the visit. She hasn't seen her son in 6 years. He's in Egypt. Went there on those tickets.

And it's not just mom's - there are a number of dad's who come to mind - one is in a fairly high profile case right now where the Egyptian grandmother snatched the kids and took them to Cairo, and the father has so far been unable to recover the kids. Grandma is in jail in the US. Kids and mom are in Cairo.

People make stupid choices in love every day - the guy or girl next door can turn out to be a nightmare. It doesn't just happen with middle eastern spouses - the difference is when both spouses are in the jurisdiction of the court the court has the authority to ensure that it's orders are followed through on. When one person flees the jurisdiction, the court can order anything it wants all day - but in many cases it cannot enforce those orders.

74 posted on 06/24/2003 4:33:39 AM PDT by Proud2BeFree
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