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1 posted on 06/25/2003 9:14:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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2 posted on 06/25/2003 9:16:16 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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Bump, and Thanks!
3 posted on 06/25/2003 9:17:11 PM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Lady In Blue
Where's the story.

Clearly it says right there the beans were mislabeled. No ulterior motive. Nosiree.
4 posted on 06/25/2003 9:18:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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No wonder I never liked castor oil. And mom sid it was good for me...
5 posted on 06/25/2003 9:19:02 PM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: Lady In Blue
Maybe I will be the first :-)

Tom Daschle is "deeply Saddened"

6 posted on 06/25/2003 9:19:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Gifted One is Clueless)
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To: Lady In Blue
Wonder what it would take for this to become headline news. Maybe you should forward this article to Hannity for him to address on TV and/or radio. WMDs is a really hot topic to him.
8 posted on 06/25/2003 9:22:43 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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Here's the story: http://www.msnbc.com/news/931304.asp?0cm=c10

U.S. OFFICIALS said the discoveries were not proof that Iraq had managed to build or obtain banned weapons of mass destruction, as President Bush asserted before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March. But they said the materials, some of which dated back to the first Gulf War, were compelling proof that Saddam was trying actively to acquire such weapons in defiance of the United Nations.

NBC News has learned of several recent discoveries, some within the past week, one related to nuclear weapons and the others to chemical, biological and banned conventional weapons.

Three U.S. officials told NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that an Iraqi scientist who was part of what Saddam called his “nuclear mujahadeen” had led intelligence officials to a barrel in the back yard of his home in Baghdad, where they found plans for a gas centrifuge and components of a uranium enrichment system.

The Associated Press, citing a U.S. intelligence official, identified the scientist later as Mahdi Shukur Obeidi, who headed Iraq’s program to make centrifuges that would enrich uranium for nuclear weapons before the 1991 Gulf War. NBC’s sources said the plans dated back to the end of the Gulf War, when Saddam was already widely known to be seeking such weapons, and came as no great surprise.

CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS

The more significant discoveries were related to Saddam’s attempts to rebuild chemical and biological arsenals like those he was known to have used during the Iran-Iraq War of the late 1980s, when he was supported by the U.S. government.

Sources told NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski that within just the past week, U.S. investigators had found two shipping containers filled with millions of much more recent documents relating to chemical and biological weapons.

One of the documents, from 2001, was titled “Document burial and U.N. activities in Iraq,” the sources said. It gave detailed instructions on how to hide materials and deceive U.N. weapons inspectors, the sources said.

Other documents related to the concealment of VX nerve gas, the sources said.

The sources said U.S. troops also discovered about 300 sacks of castor beans, which are used to make the deadly biological agent ricin, hidden in a warehouse in the town of al-Aziziyah, 50 miles southeast of Baghdad, the capital. The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

U.S. search teams have also been led to a site near Nasiriyah, a key Euphrates River crossing 200 miles south of Baghdad, where Iraqi informants said Scud missiles were buried.

COMPELLING EVIDENCE?

U.S. officials said the discoveries did not constitute final proof that Saddam had rebuilt his banned weapons program, as administration officials alleged in justifying the invasion of Iraq. But they said the materials were the best evidence so far that the Iraqi government could have done so and was actively trying to deceive U.N. inspectors before the war.

Richard Butler, the United Nations’ former chief weapons inspector, told MSNBC TV’s Lester Holt that he was “absolutely unsurprised” by the report. “We have known of [Saddam’s previous plans] for a decade,” he said.

Butler said that the discovery of components of a uranium enrichment system suggested that Iraq was far from production of actual weapons. The need for an enrichment system established that “Iraq does not have adequate sources of natural uranium,” he said. “... It has to be, above all, enriched to get weapons grade.”

“This all adds up and makes sense,” Butler said.

NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC TV’s Lester Holt and MSNBC.com’s Alex Johnson contributed to this report.

10 posted on 06/25/2003 9:26:21 PM PDT by alnick
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The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

From CASTOR BEANS AND CASTOR OIL :

The pomace, or cake remaining after the oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for fertilizer.

12 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:14 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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"Because of cruel US sanctions, Iraqi people were constipated with fear."
13 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:49 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Lady In Blue
well well well
15 posted on 06/25/2003 9:29:04 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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Muttly's pea-shooter is precision calibrated for Castor Beans.

...can Muttly have 300 sacks of castor beans ?
21 posted on 06/25/2003 9:34:07 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Have you hugged your Muttly of Mass Destruction today?...)
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INTREP
23 posted on 06/25/2003 9:40:01 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Thanks, Lady-i-B,

This is further proof of Iraq's emphasis on "dual use" chemicals, production facilities, etc. That was the strategy.

You can't pin anything on them if there's a dual use and the product you find is in it's pre-processed form.

This WAS the strategy.

We shouldn't be looking ONLY for fully processed chem weapons; we should be looking for the legal chemicals that are used as part of the recipe to produce the illegal chemicals.
25 posted on 06/25/2003 9:40:42 PM PDT by HatSteel
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To: Lady In Blue

Not the Castor Oil!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 06/25/2003 9:41:47 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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bump
32 posted on 06/25/2003 9:47:17 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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There's everyone's WMD, ricin. That much is definately enough to load up into shells and warheads.
33 posted on 06/25/2003 9:48:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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Let me guess, these are the "magic" beans that are being sold to the DemocRats for $1 million per handful.
35 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:13 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (No animals were harmed during the making of this post.)
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The sources said U.S. troops also discovered about 300 sacks of castor beans, which are used to make the deadly biological agent ricin, hidden in a warehouse in the town of al-Aziziyah, 50 miles southeast of Baghdad, the capital. The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

Anybody see this?

Nope did anybody see this?

Uses of castor beans as FERTILIZER

The pomace, or cake remaining after the oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for fertilizer.

Fast growing eye-catching plant with striking purple 2 foot leaves and stalks.

Castor oil is extracted from the seeds, but the seeds themselves are highly toxic. They contain the poison ricin, for which there is no known antidote. The pressed oil doesn't contain the ricin and is used for constipation and nervous disorders. It is also used in soaps, cosmetics, crayons, candles, varnishes, lubricating oils (Castrol), carbon paper, leather preservatives and fabric water-proofing. It is used as a cockroach repellant and a fabric dye. The plant residue is used as fertilizer and pressed into boards.

So it can be used for fertilizer and the bags were marked correctly. Hmmmm, but that story doesn't get many headlines though I guess.....

Just another ping for the ongoing continuing search for WMDs. Great, now we're down to beans. Where all these liters and tons we kept hearing about?

36 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:19 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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the left: beans? har har har!!! Bush is saying that coffee beans will kill us now!!! har har har!!
47 posted on 06/25/2003 10:24:30 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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For those who may not be familiar with UN Resolution 1441, it is an interesting read. One section of it states the following:

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

All the emphasis is mine.

The complete text is here .... and it is surprisingly plain and easy to read.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441

55 posted on 06/25/2003 11:09:35 PM PDT by kayak (Do not bet against the success of freedom. - GWB 5/9/03)
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