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To: GOPcapitalist
Segregation applies in as much as it applies to all precedent and the limits of state's rights. I never said anyone here was proposing segregation. But previous decisions and societal conflicts are VERY relevant to anything involving federal-state disputes today.
77 posted on 06/26/2003 9:36:35 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Segregation applies in as much as it applies to all precedent and the limits of state's rights.

Segregation isn't even an issue in this case. Why you keep bringing it up is a question onto itself.

I never said anyone here was proposing segregation. But previous decisions and societal conflicts are VERY relevant to anything involving federal-state disputes today.

Relevant in historical value but irrelevant as a basis for determining issues of constitutional discretion that do not involve them in any way, shape, or form. To suggest that the federal government should intervene against the states on sodomy just because some states did wrong with segregation is absurd. It presumes irrationally that state exercises of jurisdiction are inherently prone to an abuse when in fact the federal government suffers the same problem in what is often a greater degree.

Put another way, achieving the right thing by the wrong means tends to hurt in the long run more than it helps. You know as well as I do that this law as not challenged out of any great love of liberty or desire for justice. It was challenged for impure motives to advance an agenda and political affiliation that is habitually infringing upon liberty in general. To use an anecdotal conversation with Ron Paul, a comparison may be made to the WTO protesters. On its face value, advocates of liberty oppose the WTO and all those other globalist globalist-type organizations and generally desire to abolish them. This immediate position is shared by the protesters as well. But they do not share it for the reasons we do, which entail the organization's infringement upon liberty and sovereignty. They hold their views because they believe those organizations get in the way of their end goals of marxism. For that reason it is unwise to join them in their protest or to support the WTO in opposition to their marxism. In short, aiding a side would entail choosing between national socialism and communism - neither of which is desirable to liberty. Therefore we must seek our own means of opposing globalist organizations and ensure that means includes a motive that is consistent with liberty.

The exact same thing applies with the sodomy law, and in this case those libertarians who joined in to support its plaintiffs achieved only a minor if not negligable success at an immeasurably greater cost.

87 posted on 06/26/2003 9:51:02 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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