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Lesbian pastor ruffles Southern Baptist tradition in Tenn.
Associated Press ^ | July 5, 2003 | Jim Patterson

Posted on 07/13/2003 1:43:26 PM PDT by nwrep

Lesbian pastor ruffles Southern Baptist tradition

Jim Patterson
Associated Press

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STANDING HER GROUND: April Baker, an associate pastor at Glendale Baptist Church in Nashville, Tenn., has brought condemnation upon the church from two Baptist conventions because she is a lesbian and her congregation has chosen to support her.

July 05, 2003 — 2:12 a.m.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The sermon at Glendale Baptist Church one recent Sunday recalled how Jesus mingled with tax collectors and prostitutes, refusing to snub people for the unpopular things they did.

"What does it mean that God's love is for everyone?" preached Glendale member Eileen Campbell-Reed, a doctoral student in religion.

"What will happen when we move from the center to the margins, and make friends . . . with those that our society smugly thinks of as the disinherited and marginalized? What will happen when they become our heroes and heroines of friendship and faithfulness, forgiveness and grace?"

These were not rhetorical questions.

Listening in the front row in her black sacramental robe was April Baker — an unlikely combination of lesbian living openly with a partner and associate pastor of a Baptist church in the South.

Glendale's half-century associations with the Tennessee Baptist Convention and the Southern Baptist Convention have been dissolved over the past month because of Baker.

Baptist officials said the church's choice to support Baker, currently its only full-time minister, left them with no choice.

"In having a homosexual or lesbian minister, they are clearly endorsing homosexual behavior, and thus have defined themselves outside of the Southern Baptist Convention," said Richard Land, president of the SBC's public policy arm.

Glendale's 250-member congregation long ago forged bonds with more liberal Baptist umbrella organizations, including the Alliance of Baptists, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America.

But the church had belonged to the SBC and TBC since its founding in 1951. The loss of tradition hurts, as does the rejection, members of the congregation say.

At the Sunday service in a simple sanctuary decorated with homemade banners and mobiles of paper birds were a diverse mix of members — elderly people, a city councilman, a teenager with a mohawk and several children in Tennessee Titans jerseys.

Glendale has long been known as a liberal church, but not one that particularly caters to gays.

When the search process for an associate pastor turned up two of three candidates who disclosed they were lesbians, church leaders took the matter to the congregation. It decided to pick the best candidate for the job, regardless of sexual orientation.

Since hiring Baker last summer, the church has drawn unwanted attention from a local conservative talk radio show and pickets one Sunday by an anti-gay group.

Stewart Clifton, a lay leader, said Glendale wasn't out to court controversy.

"It's something we kind of fell into step by step," he said. "You don't ask people to apply, and based on something they have no control over, then say, 'Sorry, some extraneous thing is going to disqualify you.' "

Glendale bills itself as "A Caring Community of Equality and Grace." In the early 1970s, the church supported the desegregation of Nashville public schools and lost a large part of its membership.

Nationally, conservatives overpowered moderates and liberals to take over Southern Baptist leadership two decades ago. Since 1988 the denomination has severed ties with more than 10 other congregations over the issue of homosexuality.

"Not many Baptist churches — moderate, fundamentalist or otherwise — have openly lesbian staff members," said Bill Turner, a retired Baptist minister who headed the prominent South Main Baptist Church in Houston for 16 years. "Sexual identity is an issue that's been effectively dodged for some years. Even in moderate churches, there's usually a 'love the sinner, hate the sin' mind-set."

At the SBC's annual meeting in Phoenix last month, leaders proclaimed an initiative to help homosexuals "find freedom from this sinful, destructive lifestyle."

Baker, a 39-year-old graduate of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., has worked as a counselor to women felons but never before held a minister's job.

She becomes visibly uncomfortable when asked about the controversy over her sexual orientation. She frowns and pauses several moments to gather her thoughts.

She says the denomination has "terribly wounded" gay people.

"I say that the Southern Baptist Convention left me, because the SBC as it is today is not the same spiritual and theological home in which I grew up," Baker said. "I think that there's a distinct call to the church to push the edges of inclusiveness."

When Kreis White's family was considering whether to join Glendale, he was told about Baker's sexual orientation. He didn't see it as relevant.

"My kids got to help in the soup kitchen yesterday, and Habitat for Humanity is a blast. The activism is what attracted me," he said.

Baker's sexual orientation is "such a small fraction of who she is," White said.

"She is also a Braves fan, which I find horribly compelling. She is a gifted speaker, a great pulpit speaker. She is a very spiritual leader for the kids."


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To: Paul Atreides
Peace, love, and plenty of immorality. LOL.

Perfect post. My thoughts exactly.
21 posted on 07/13/2003 2:40:29 PM PDT by JakeWyld
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To: Zack Nguyen
I believe that it is already happening in Canada and Europe.
22 posted on 07/13/2003 2:43:30 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Zack Nguyen
I think an attempt will be made in the near future (the next several years, maybe) to silence pastors who speak out against homosexual behavior.

The ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) is already there. Any pastor who vociferously complains about the pro-homosexual agenda within the denomination to the hierarchy up in Mpls is told to shut up and roll over.

I know of one who is very saddened about the situation, but rather than fight (admittedly fighting the inevitable), he keeps his job and looks the other way... assuring his flock that the wolves aren't really carnivores.

23 posted on 07/13/2003 2:50:32 PM PDT by niteowl77 (Pray for our troops... harder.)
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To: Gritty
"However, look for the upcoming lawsuits which will force churches to hire such people. The lawsuits will no doubt come, and given the pathetic state of today's American jurisprudence will probably succeed."

"Congress shall make no lie respecting an establishment of religion." I'd think that is supposed to include hiring practices of religious organizations, but who knows with our current system of governance by judicial whim.
24 posted on 07/13/2003 2:56:08 PM PDT by squidly
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To: who knows what evil?
No wonder that 'home churches' are growing by leaps and bounds, just like home schooling. Jesus warned us about apostate churches...they are here, and they are spreading like wildfire. I'm located in the Bible Belt, and I gave up trying to find a church several years ago.,/i>

Amen

25 posted on 07/13/2003 2:57:21 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: nwrep
The sermon at Glendale Baptist Church one recent Sunday recalled how Jesus mingled with tax collectors and prostitutes, refusing to snub people for the unpopular things they did.
****** ** * *

They homosexuals pervert everything. The point was the message of change from sinful ways taken TO the sinners. Is this case is this woman going to stop having lesbian sex? Is she going to seek counseling to change her lifestyle? Christ message was to change yourself AWAY from evil.

(h)I was born a smoker, but it has not been easy but I have quit smoking.(/h)
26 posted on 07/13/2003 3:02:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Gil4
Then there are those of us of a certain age who remeber a pastor who liked to use Flip Wilson as an illustration fairly regularly. I don't remember the original, however.

Are you talking about Brother Dave Gardner?
27 posted on 07/13/2003 3:04:15 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: DannyTN
Another reason to write to your SENATORS and let them know you want them to vote for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

If they voted for DOMA they can vote for FMA.
28 posted on 07/13/2003 3:04:46 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: who knows what evil?
I had 'support home churching' as a tagline for a while.
I got enough grief over it to dump it.
29 posted on 07/13/2003 3:05:56 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Paul Atreides
"That is all that matters to them.

I had heard maybe 3-4 years ago that this church was having trouble. Someone told me that fired a preacher that was a true man of God because he wasn't "dynamic" enough. I guess they were in more trouble than I realized.

It's actually really scary how quickly a church can go bad, if they hire a bad pastor. A bad pastor can bring in new members closer to his ideology and run off enough good members. By the time the core membership of the church wakes up to what's happening it's often too late.

A church needs a good core membership of mature christians that are loyal to the church and won't run off the first dispute they have with a pastor, but rather will stay and fight for the church. A deacon body needs to be quick to fire a pastor if they start teaching things that are in conflict with the Bible.

31 posted on 07/13/2003 3:16:10 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: nwrep
"I say that the Southern Baptist Convention left me, because the SBC as it is today is not the same spiritual and theological home in which I grew up," Baker said. "I think that there's a distinct call to the church to push the edges of inclusiveness."

She's talking out of both sides of her mouth. On the one hand she claims the church has changed (not true) but then she calls for "pushing the edges of inclusiveness".

32 posted on 07/13/2003 3:18:38 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Jerry_M; drstevej; Polycarp
Good for the SBC.
33 posted on 07/13/2003 3:20:55 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: xzins
Well said. And welcome back!
34 posted on 07/13/2003 3:21:19 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Bismark
Funny, in first Timothy "great speaker" is not mentioned as a qualification for being a Pastor......

Qualifications for Pastor from 1 Timothy 3...

THE SAYING is true and irrefutable: If any man [eagerly] seeks the office of bishop (superintendent, overseer), he desires an excellent task (work).

Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,

Not given to wine, not combative but gentle and considerate, not quarrelsome but forbearing and peaceable, and not a lover of money [insatiable for wealth and ready to obtain it by questionable means].

He must rule his own household well, keeping his children under control, with true dignity, commanding their respect in every way and keeping them respectful.

For if a man does not know how to rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?

He must not be a new convert, or he may [develop a beclouded and stupid state of mind] as the result of pride [be blinded by conceit, and] fall into the condemnation that the devil [once] did.(1)

Furthermore, he must have a good reputation and be well thought of by those outside [the church], lest he become involved in slander and incur reproach and fall into the devil's trap.
35 posted on 07/13/2003 3:27:49 PM PDT by I still care
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To: CARepubGal; xzins
The expression on the face of the pic in post #19 says it all! (I don't endorse the language on the pic)
36 posted on 07/13/2003 3:28:17 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
***Baker's sexual orientation is "such a small fraction of who she is," White said.***

Then she should forsake this "small fraction" and follow the Bible she pretends to believe.

I too think this statement is a blatant lie.
37 posted on 07/13/2003 3:30:31 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: gcruse
I had 'support home churching' as a tagline for a while. I got enough grief over it to dump it.

"If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you." John 15:18 I've gotten so much more out of studying Scripture on my own or with a few others in home fellowship than I have under the roof of a traditional church it isn't even funny. Frankly, I don't give a whit what others think of people who "church" at home. I'm not here to please them.

38 posted on 07/13/2003 3:37:59 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
My thoughts exactly!!!
39 posted on 07/13/2003 3:42:55 PM PDT by Marathoner
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To: Acer palmatum Dissectum x ?
substitute any other fetish for lesbian

Just because she is a pedofile that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a swinger that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a crack addict that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a heroine user that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a professional prostitutite in nevada that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a clinical nymphomaniac that is only a small part of what she is.

Just because she is a democrat who voted for algore and call GWB selected not elected that is only a small part of what she is.
40 posted on 07/13/2003 3:43:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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