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To: ConservativeMan55
Intellectual property is one's own property. Copyright laws mean something.

If recording companies desire to "give away" tracks, as promos, the can do so.

For a third party to take your party, and distribute it for profit is theft.
6 posted on 07/14/2003 11:52:21 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Copyright law indeed means something, but "intellectual property" is a complete fiction.
8 posted on 07/14/2003 11:54:00 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: truth_seeker
No profit is involved if I decide to take a song from a CD, turn it into an MP3 and give it to my friend on his computer. That isn't any different than making a cassette tape.
11 posted on 07/14/2003 11:57:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (If they sneak in throw em out on their chin!!)
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To: truth_seeker
I hope you have a fire extinguisher handy because you are about to get flamed. Not by me, though, because I agree with you 100%. The file thiefs will have excuse after excuse as to why stealing someone else's work product is legally and/or morally justified, but the bottom line is that stealing the music is no different than going to the corner mini-mart and stealing a tank of gas. (The oil companies deserve it because they charge too much per gallon, manipulate the market to screw the consumer, and rip the consumer off.)
13 posted on 07/14/2003 12:00:09 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: truth_seeker
Copyright laws mean something.

They sure do. They have their foundation in the Golden Rule: He who has the Gold rules.

16 posted on 07/14/2003 12:02:43 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: truth_seeker
I fail to see how your post has anything to do with this thread.
21 posted on 07/14/2003 12:08:46 PM PDT by candeee
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To: truth_seeker
For a third party to take your party, and distribute it for profit is theft.

If the fileservers had advertising or fees I could see a "profit" but where is the profit being made "trading" files?

I'm an outside observer in all of this (I don't download tracks).

The guy selling mixtapes at the corner store is making a profit but for 20 years, the industry has generally turned a blind eye to that practice too.

Certainly the industry accepted the practice of making a mix tape and GIVING it to a friend. Taping off the radio wasn't a crime either.

The industry eventually got a tax levied on blank cassettes (even though there is no justification of which artists to share that revenue with).

22 posted on 07/14/2003 12:10:42 PM PDT by weegee
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To: truth_seeker
For a third party to take your party(sic), and distribute it for profit is theft.

There is no profit involved in file-SHARING.

Besides which, file-sharing is a violation of a malum prohibitum law, meaning it is wrong only because there is law against it, in contrast to a malum in se law, meaning the act (such as murder) is wrong in and of itself.

The current music distribution system developed when the technology for mass reproduction of music was limited to pressing grooves into vinyl disks. The music industry was providing a valuable service to the artists and the listeners because of the large capital investment required to create recordings.

Times have changed. Modern computer technology allows anybody with a PC to record and distribute music, be it music they recorded themselves or music they copied from a commercial source.

People like you want to enforce obsolete business models on modern technology. You want technology to adapt to the law, rather than force businesses to adapt to technology.

If people like you have their way, in ten years it will be illegal to own a general-purpose computer. You will only be able to purchase digital-rights management appliances that, first and foremost, protect obsolete industries, like the recording industry, from modern technology.

Gutting technology available to ordinary people seems like a mighty high price to pay to protect sleazebags like music promoters, but I guess your prefer protecting the obsolete business model of sleazebags to allowing ordinary people to have full access to the most advanced technology possible.

29 posted on 07/14/2003 12:20:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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If the artists and the industry want to decrease illegal downloading (yes, decrease -- not eliminate -- as you will never, ever be able to eliminate something this widespread) then lower CD/DVD prices.

In addition, Supreme Court justices must be required to define an MP3 or AVI. I wouldn't be surprised if at least four justices think that an MP3 is a type of assault weapon.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about border security than pimple-faced 15-year-olds downloading an *exclusive*, not-yet-released Britney Spears track off the internet.

48 posted on 07/14/2003 1:23:26 PM PDT by tuna_battle_slight_return (Help! .... I'm streaming and can't get up!)
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To: truth_seeker
downloading free music via P2P to...distribute it for profit is theft.

I agree. Who is doing this for profit?

56 posted on 07/14/2003 3:34:06 PM PDT by Principled
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