[Angelus Errare]

I just felt this might be of some general interest to FReepers given the current state of Iraq.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

[Archangelsk]

Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.

Different time, different place.

[Angelus Errare]

Ping

[EternalVigilance]

It is ridiculous and insulting to do what the headline does...tie the blessed memory of the Minutemen to the memory of a bunch of terrorist-thug Nazi losers.

[Congressman Billybob]

I knew about the Werewolves. 99.44% of the American press today are dumb as a bag of hammers on the subject. It is a studied ignorance, which allows them to pump out their hand-wringing articles about the occupation of Iraq, today.

That's why I included the Werewolves in my latest column, which is up on FR, well-received, and today both published on ChronWatch (San Francisco Chronicle, of all places), and subject to a "Closed Thread" on Lucianne (go figure).

Thanks for the post. Of course this is relevant. See below.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, now up FR, "Sixteen Little Words."

[FairOpinion]

Thanks for the ping.

Interesting article. That is exactly what the Iraqi Ba'athists were trying to do.

Did you see this?

From Iraqi Intelligence: A Plan for Action in the Event of a Regime Downfall (doc. found in Iraq)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/949973/posts

[Petronski]

I know you didn't write the title so, please, don't think I'm flaming you....

...but comparisons between Minutemen and the Werewolves that imply any kind of equivalency are wildly inaccurate.

No flames, just a caveat for those readers who might not know.

[Sparta]

Post WWII Nazi terrorism ping!!!

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.

[Itzlzha]

AS WORRIES INCREASE about neo-Nazi and skinhead violence in Germany, it is worth remembering that this type of terrorism is a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right.

What is with these historical revisionists that REFUSE to understand that NAZI means National Socialist!!!

I guess these LIEberals need to deflect and PROJECT what they are, since no one in the public would accept them if the truth was WIDELY known!

[Destro]

In Antony Beevor's The Fall of Berlin 1945 the Werewolf project is described as something that lived only in the mind of Joseph Goebbels along with his National Redoubt. It fooled the Soviets and allies which caused much suffering amongst German civilians after the end of the war. To Stalin's Soviets, who were a paranoid bunch to begin with the Werewolf propaganda was swallowed whole. This meant that any house that had any military related item in it like an old uniform meant that the whole family would be killed. Eisenhower's acceptance of the National Redoubt propaganda made him divert the army to the south rather than driving on to the west to meet up with the Russians.

In fact, Jewish revenge squads killed more Nazis via acts of terror (and an attempted mass poisoning) than the Nazis killed occupation forces after the end of the war during the occupation.

I want to also add that Beevor's book mentions how the German civilians were not troublemakers for the Soviets and to the shock of the Soviet occupiers who found the Germans compliant and submissive.

You can't compare Iraq to Germany or Japan. Both Germany and Japan had golden years of democratic representative govts that were still remembered. In addition they were both homogenous cultures and in Japan there was even an Emperor to focus loyalty.

We are also not the same Americans as we used to be. Our military and nation in that era was well practiced in colonialisim. We had occupied many Latin American nations routinely and we had a good sized colonial presence. Gen. MacArthur and his staff got to the practice they needed to run Japan when they ran the Phillipines. We had diplomats, beaurocrats, NCOs and officers in our military back then that had experiance in ruling foreign peoples in a colonial manner.

As the expeiances of the last 20 years has shown, America and even the UK has lost the tradition and experiances of how to nation build. Every nation building attempt of the last 20 years has been a complete failure.

Please no more comparisons of Iraq with Germany and Japan (why does everyone forget Italy?).

[FreedomPoster]

Thanks for posting and pinging this. It will be useful in some discussions with some "Vietnam quagmire" types, who seem to think we should allow a few nutcase committed extremists to thwart our efforts.

[Bayou City]

Bump for later!

[Riley]

I read something about a unit that was encircled, then bypassed by the Soviets that formed the nucleus of a local resistance to Soviet rule, that wasn't finally completely crushed until the seventies or the eighties.

It was in (IIRC) the Baltics someplace, I think. It wasn't a pure local rebellion, as it was started either by the Germans or by a ethnically-local German auxiliary unit, or something like that. It was very directly a leftover ember of World War 2. Anybody remember anything about this?

[PGalt]

Very relevant. Thanks for your post.

[King Prout]

Minutemen?? Radical Right???
hoo - where to start?

[Former Proud Canadian]

Good catch. Was there any resistance to US occupation in Japan?

[isom35]

"Nazi Werewolf guerrilla" would be an excellent movie title.

[Luis Gonzalez]

BUMP!

[VOA]

bump

[Dr.Deth]

a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right.

See, they lost me right there. What's so difficult to remember about National Socialism being a proud member of the radical left?