New Theory: Catastrophe Created Mars' Moons

space.com ^ | 29 Jul 03 | Leonard David

[RightWhale]

Deimos is okay. Phobos is better. The point is that we don't have to land on Mars, but can build our Mars base on one of the moons. Much easier, much safer.

[talleyman]

All your moons are belong to us.

[RightWhale]

All your moons

Why can't we get it right anymore? 90% of the time it is wrong these days. Cultural decadence: can't keep a tradition alive for a trivial year.

[RightWhale]

ping

[RightWhale]

Of course. That's why using one of them as a manned base would be so easy.

[far sider]

"Nobody has been able to explain the origin of Phobos and Deimos," said S. Fred Singer of the University of Virginia’s Science & Environmental Policy Project in Arlington, Virginia.

Unfortunately, nobody has been able to explain the origin of any moon in our solar system. Why should Phobos and Deimos be any different?

[Genesis defender]

"The scientist believes the moon would serve as a natural space station for future human explorers."

But what do you do when the Space Marines discover a demon-infested gateway to Hell? </Doom>

[zook]

We should have been informed of this years ago. What was the president trying to hide?

[Genesis defender]

Almost all books I read as a kid said that Phobos and Deimos were both just captured asteroids, mostly because they looked lumpy and pock-marked like other asteroids.

[ClearCase_guy]

Singer said Phobos will die in a few million years. "We’re lucky in the sense that we’re seeing Phobos while it’s still around," he said.

I'll say we're lucky! Another few million years and we'd have missed the whole thing!!

[far sider]

Almost all books I read as a kid said that Phobos and Deimos were both just captured asteroids, mostly because they looked lumpy and pock-marked like other asteroids.

That's the problem. If they were captured asteroids they should have elliptical orbits. Phobos and Deimos have nearly circular orbits like Earth's Moon.

[jlogajan]

Almost all books I read as a kid said that Phobos and Deimos were both just captured asteroids, mostly because they looked lumpy and pock-marked like other asteroids.

Circular orbit is tough to acheive in a gravity capture.

[Rik0Shay]

Good, Very Good.

[Junior]

Phoebos and Deimos are two asteroid generation ships which took up orbit around Mars sometime prior to 1877. The crews have since been exploring the Solar System and account for all those UFO sightings.

Hey, I can come up with just as plausible a conspiracy theory as anyone else!

[D Rider]

I read books as a kid too.

How about this: "They have likewise discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, which resolve around Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the center of the primary planet exactly three of his diameters, and the outtermost five; the former revolves in the space of ten hours, and the latter in twenty-one and a half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near in the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the center of Mars, which evidently shows they to be goverened by the same law of gravitation that influence other heavenly bodies." -A VOYAGE TO LAPUTA, GULLIVERS TRAVELS, 1726

This discription is within 20% accurate, but the moons were not discovered until 1877 when a powerful enough telescope was created. The moons of Mars have the lowest index of reflectivity of any bodies that we know of in the solar system(almost black). They are also so small, that to be seen from earth by the naked eye, Mars would have to appear in the sky 50 times larger than our moon.

Explain that!

[#3Fan]

What if Mars were a moon of a large planet whose remnants now make up the asteroid belt? The shape of Mars suggest that it was in synchronous orbit of a large object or a large object was in synchronous orbit with it. If Mars was a moon of a large planet and that large planet disentegrated for some reason, the odds of pieces of that planet being stationary relative to Mars may be low enough that there is only two pieces (Phobos and Deimos) left today in circular orbit (interesting that Deimos is in nearly syncronous orbit). The disentagration process may be what pushed Mars to it's orbit now or perhaps the disentgration took place at the right moment in Mars' orbit around the large planet to take Mars to it's current orbit. Mars shows signs of being plastered on one side by debris miles thick, like a person's head in a pie fight. Whatever happened, it happened in one day, not over the course of thousands of years. It seems to me by measuring the nodes on Mars (nodes created by the synchronous orbit), we could estimate the size of the object that was either orbiting Mars or the object Mars was orbiting, whichever the case may be.

[RightWhale]

if Mars were a moon of a large planet whose remnants now make up the asteroid belt?

That's van Flandern's radical proposal. Nothing adds up, mass, orbits, composition, time schedule. We may never know. If we did know, it would be one of the few things we actually know.

[Right Wing Professor]

Find a BFG9000, and send those hell spawn back to whence they came!

[#3Fan]

That's van Flandern's radical proposal. Nothing adds up, mass, orbits, composition, time schedule. We may never know. If we did know, it would be one of the few things we actually know.

There has to be an explanation of the fact that it is plastered on one side, though. It was close to a planet-size or at least a large-moon-size object that disintegrated. If it weren't for that then this would be a radical theory because there wouldn't be much evidence. I think it's more radical to ignore this plastering than to consider a theory that explains it.