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Republicans First or Conservatives First?
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| August 19, 2003
| Brent Bozell
Posted on 08/22/2003 9:03:09 AM PDT by TBP
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Supporting liberal Kennedy Republicans only loses ground for our cause. It gains us nothing. Never support a policy or an individual just because there is an R appended to it.
Schwarzenegger is a liberal and it's not as if there aren't good conservatives in the race, such as Simon, McClintock, and the woman from the AIP.
Principle over party.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:03:09 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: TBP
Enjoy Cruz.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:06:21 AM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
(I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
To: Texas_Dawg
It's not that simple and you know it. Support a real, proven conservative and you'll get a conservative governor. Support Ah-nold and you'll get a liberal RINO.
We know where you come down: Republican first. Gop Uber Alles.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:08:30 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: TBP
If they can't have Arnold, his supporters seem to want Cruz to be elected.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:08:39 AM PDT
by
Roscoe
To: TBP
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:10:40 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
To: TBP
Enjoy your upcoming Cruz.
If Larry Kuldow says he's Ok. And Arthur Laffer likes him, well, I am hardpresssed to disagree.
...In a dramatic news conference this week, actor-turned-gubernatorial-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger made it clear that he will occupy right-of-center territory when it comes to fiscal matters in the forthcoming recall election to throw out California's incumbent Governor Gray Davis.
That only leaves the question of ... Are drowning California Conservatives SMART enough to grab the lifeline within their reach
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:12:15 AM PDT
by
hobbes1
( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
To: hobbes1
"I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy." --Arnold Schwarzenegger
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:13:40 AM PDT
by
Roscoe
To: TBP
We know where you come down: Republican first. Gop Uber Alles. Huh? Aren't Simon and McClintock GOP as well?
I'm just as conservative as you. You have two choices. Pick one.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:15:11 AM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
(I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
To: hobbes1
In a dramatic news conference this week, actor-turned-gubernatorial-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger made it clear that he will occupy right-of-center territory when it comes to fiscal matters Which is why he still won't rule out raising taxes, right?
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:16:05 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: Roscoe
Rome was not built in a day. When you are in hole the first thing to do is STOP DIGGING.
Schwarzenegger Today, McClintock Tomorrow.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:16:08 AM PDT
by
hobbes1
( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
To: TBP
Support a real, proven conservative and you'll get a conservative governor.You're dreaming. Support an unelectable proven conservative in the liberal state of California and you'll get another democrat (cruz) for governor.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:16:16 AM PDT
by
South40
(Get Right Or Get Left)
To: TBP
What is needed is a viable 3rd party that doesn't get hijacked by dingbats. I agree with you on principle and then see Cruz Bustamonte v. Arnold or Howard Dean v. Bush.
Perhaps the GOP does write off its conservative base the way the Democrats just assume they will dominate amongst minorities. However, until there is a tenable alternative, we're genuinely stuck.
In order to posit a choice between conservatism and Republicanism, there has to be a doctrine which can in turn support a platform that specifically elucidates what makes a conservative non-GOP.
Secondly, the 3rd Party candidate has to have the national organization to beat both the Dems and the GOP. If all that party garners is a 5% protest vote, they do nothing except Nader the GOP and cause national policy to drift further to the left as more Democrats win in congressional races down ticket.
So what needs to happen is the following:
a) A National grassroots organization needs to be established to field a wide array of down ticket candidates first. This insulates the party from being hijacked by well-funded political gadflys who want it's money to wage quixotic presidential races.
b) These candidates all have to run on a similar platform. Something similar to Newt Gingrich's Contract With America.
c) Money in large amounts needs to be raised and invested to maintain viability in off years. THis is the only way a 3rd party can legitimately hope to exist 3 years after it's first presidential candidate has been destroyed at the polls.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:18:04 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(The Problem With Socialism Is That You Eventually Run Out Of Other People's Money - Lady Thatcher)
To: Texas_Dawg
You have two choices. The ballot says otherwise.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:18:06 AM PDT
by
Roscoe
To: TBP
You do remember the First Bush Presidency ?
No one but an absolute MORON, will ever say Read my lips, No New taxes.....especially not someone with an R after their name.
The media only remembers campaign promises made by people running as republicans, and Arnold is smart enough to know that, even if others are not.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:18:30 AM PDT
by
hobbes1
( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
To: Roscoe
If they can't have Arnold, his supporters seem to want Cruz to be elected. Of course they do, because Cruz and Arnold are of basically the same ideology. Simnon and McClintock (as well as the aforementioned woman from the AIP) aren't.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:19:04 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: .cnI redruM
What is needed is a viable 3rd party that doesn't get hijacked by dingbats. You build it at the local and state level. In this case, there are at least two other Republicans who are identifiably conservative. But if you are in California and want to build a thrid party, you might want to look at the AIP. Nationally, it's affiliated with the Constitution Party.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:22:19 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: Roscoe
The ballot says otherwise. Logic sure doesn't.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:23:15 AM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
(I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
To: TBP
In this case, there are at least two other Republicans who are identifiably conservative. But not electable obviously. One of them lost an election that my front door knob would have won.
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:24:32 AM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
(I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
To: hobbes1
No one but an absolute MORON, will ever say Read my lips, No New taxes You must think that the conservative candidates are morons, then, because Bill Simon is repeatedly reminding people that he has signed the no-new-taxes pledge. I believe McClintock has signed it too and says so. Are these people morons? Or do you dislike them because they're conservatives who are making things difficult for the Kennedy Republican?
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:24:59 AM PDT
by
TBP
To: hobbes1
That only leaves the question of ... Are drowning California Conservatives SMART enough to grab the lifeline within their reach
Well they have 45 days to find one of the lower tier candidates [single digit] and boost the ratings by at least 1/2% per day to make it into the mid 20%range and maybe become competitive. Can that be done? Who knows but time is running out.....
The following is from the Public Policy Institute of CA poll released yesterday.... It will interesting to see polls in the next few days showing numbers taken after the Arnold news conference.....
7. Regardless of how you would vote on the first part of the recall, how would you vote on the second part of the recall ballot: If the election were held today, who would you vote for? [if necessary: read rotated list, then ask or someone else?]
23% Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican
18 Cruz Bustamante, Democrat
5 Tom McClintock, Republican
4 Bill Simon, Republican
4 Peter Ueberroth, Republican
3 Peter Camejo, Green Party
3 Arianna Huffington, Independent
8 Someone else (specify)
32 dont know
PPIC Poll
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posted on
08/22/2003 9:25:00 AM PDT
by
deport
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