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New York Post ^ | 9/22/03 | KENNETH LOVETT

[Badray]

"There are many many more people with a much more extreme position than me already over there."

I'm not sure if 'there' refers to Germany or the USA, but where ever these extremists are located we call them Nazis.

[DannyTN]

"Nobody is so stupid that they buy into the second hand smoke bull, are they?"

Of course not, everyone knows that smoke filled air is healthy.

[Michael81Dus]

I meant the United States of America, and in particular such states like the one mentioned in the article.

[Max McGarrity]

I find these comparisons ridiculous and disgusting, because there is nothing that could be compared with the misery the Jews had to face.

That's because you're young (actually, we have a saying here "young and dumb," and it basically means that the young and inexperienced are easily led. If you find the comparisons "ridiculous and distusting," it's because you don't understand the parallels OR have no idea what you're supporting.

HITLER LIVES

THE FOURTH REICH?

 

[Max McGarrity]

Unlike you and minniemouse, I don't presume to know the mind of God.

[DannyTN]

"Unlike you and minniemouse, I don't presume to know the mind of God. "

Then why did you say the following? It sounded very much like a presumption to me that God's only reason for giving us tobacco was smoking it.

"So you think God made a mistake by giving us tobacco? Hmmmmm, now minnie believes he knows better than God."

[Leisler]

"So candlelight dinners are banned! Cooking is banned! Are people still allowed to BBQ? Wouldn't want that unexpecting neighbor to be subjected to SHS from BBQ grills. "

Coming to you soon, care of the usual suspects.

Barbecue cancer warning

Barbecues poison the air with toxins and could cause cancer, research suggests.

A study by the French environmental campaigning group Robin des Bois found that a typical two-hour barbecue can release the same level of dioxins as up to 220,000 cigarettes.

Dioxins are a group of chemicals known to increase the likelihood of cancer.

The figures were based on grilling four large steaks, four turkey cuts and eight large sausages.

This amount of cooking was found to release 12-22 nannograms of dioxins into the atmosphere.

The researchers also found that the average concentrations of dioxins in the vicinity of the barbecue ranged from 0.6 to 0.7 nannograms per cubic metre - up to seven times higher than the level authorised for public incinerators at the point of discharge from the chimney.

Food

The French food safety agency is also undertaking research into the possible cancer-causing effect of carbonising food during the barbecuing process.

They have found that some hydrocarbons which have been linked to cancer are incorporated into the food.

Desmond Hammerton, a retired professor of Marine Biology, is campaigning to raise awareness of the problem.

He called for warnings to be included on barbecue equipment.

He said: "I'm sure that just the odd barbecue during the summer is not going to have any effect.

"But if you have a barbecue once or twice a week through the summer, and all crowd round it and inhale the fumes then over 10 or 20 years maybe that would do something."

Research published by the Food Standards Agency shows that the average intake of dioxins and dioxin-like chemicals called PCBs in the diet has fallen by 50% between 1997 and 2001.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/health/3106039.stm

Published: 2003/07/29 14:16:10 GMT

© BBC MMIII

[metesky]

Don't you read these threads and follow the links to the actual studies that prove SHS is BS?

Or would you rather just be mouthy and look stupid?

Pay attention, son. SHS may be something that you personally find distasteful, but it is not harmful.

[metesky]

They didn't believe us when we said this about BBQs what, ten, twelve years ago?

[lockjaw02]

Maybe they should just ban kids in cars? Riding in cars incurs risks of premature death. Better to make the tykes take public transportation. It would be for the children and our future (sic).

[Captainpaintball]

I'll smoke to that.

[CSM]

Wow, I was half serious and half joking. Looks like it is no joke!

[Publius6961]

Sweetie, I've been WRITING law for 15 years.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Isn't it funny that these anti-smoking maniacs always question smokers' intelligence?

I think of mission control during the space race heyday... ashtrays everywhere.

[Publius6961]

"Please don't hesitate. Drifting tobacco smoke already kills more people that motor vehicle accidents, all crimes, AIDS, illegal drugs, etc. In other words, people are statistically more likely to die as a result of drifting tobacco smoke than by a car, gun, or the AIDS virus.

Now there's a statement from a well-informed MENSA member, I'm sure.
Who made that asinine statement? Jabba the Hutt?

[DannyTN]

"Don't you read these threads and follow the links to the actual studies that prove SHS is BS?"

I'm sorry, but I know the effect second hand smoke has on me. In light of personal experience, no study will ever convince me that breathing smoke is healthy.

[metesky]

Danny, nobody said it was healthy, it's not orange juice, for Pete's sake.

The word is "unharmful". Now the stuff may aggrivate you, but that's usually because a person has a pre-existing condition that reacts to the smoke, Danny. It doesn't cause anything.

[DannyTN]

"The word is "unharmful". Now the stuff may aggrivate you, but that's usually because a person has a pre-existing condition that reacts to the smoke, Danny. It doesn't cause anything.

Well we know smoking directly causes a huge (HUGH) variety of illnesses. As with most toxins, a little may not be nearly as toxic as a lot. But they used to say that attending a concert in an enclosed arena was the equivalent of smoking 4 cigarettes. I don't know how many equivalents I used to get before the workplaces went non-smoking, but I bet it wasn't trivial.

So I don't buy it. Just because it's hard to prove scientifically, if it's strong enough to aggravate preexisting conditions, I think it's strong enough to cause new conditions.

[Consort]

The health aspect of any issue will trump the personal freedom aspect...in the work place, in the home, and outdoors. It looks like that's the way it is.