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To: Salvation
do you think he passed the loaf and cup to the apostles or did he place it on their tongue?

They were the first bishops/priests, so of course He passed the loaf and the cup ;-)

There is an old seminary saying, "Be not an archeologizer."

In other words, just because something MAY have been done one way at one time, it does not mean that was objectively better.

Such would be a denial of development of doctrine.

Hopefully, we have a more full understanding of the Real Presence today than 1800 years ago. St. Thomas Aquinas alone brought us lightyears foreward in our theological understandings. So today our practices of reverence towards the Holy Eucharist (hopefully) should be informed by 2000 years worth of development of doctrine and understanding.

6 posted on 07/05/2004 12:26:37 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic - -without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV
Hopefully, we have a more full understanding of the Real Presence today than 1800 years ago.

That's a bit arrogant.

We have a better appreciation of Christ's Presence than those who were with Him, in His Life, and continued His Church?

How do you know that?

Is it your contention that those who receive in the hand do not believe in Christ's Presence in the Eucharist?

10 posted on 07/05/2004 12:33:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Polycarp IV

If you are not comfortable receiving in the hand, don't.


13 posted on 07/05/2004 12:35:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Polycarp IV; Salvation

And there is this also: the further we recede from the original Last Supper, the more need we have to uphold the reverence due to the Real Presence.


53 posted on 07/05/2004 4:11:18 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Polycarp IV; Salvation
do you think he passed the loaf and cup to the apostles or did he place it on their tongue?

They were the first bishops/priests, so of course He passed the loaf and the cup ;-)

There is an old seminary saying, "Be not an archeologizer."

I think one of our past priests, who was not long out of the seminary, must have either forgot or never heard that saying.

I remember him telling a group of candidates/catechumens a few years ago, about the example Salvation brought up.

He was more in favor of the "take this and eat" (in the hand) approach, and sited what Jesus said at The Last Supper.

He was just short of chastising those who chose to take The Host on the tongue, of not opening their mouths wide enough. So, he reminded those who wish to take communion on the tongue to keep their tongue out so he could administer it properly.

I never did see any of those candidates/catechumens take communion on the tongue come Holy Saturday. Then again, the issue of Church teachings on the subject was never pushed or enforced, so they (and I included once upon a time) never knew we were going against Church law.

138 posted on 07/05/2004 6:33:26 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism" Mel Gibson)
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