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Tridentine Rite Mass to be offered (in Archdiocese of Detroit) beginning Oct. 3
Michigan Catholic ^ | August 1, 2004 | Robert Delaney

Posted on 08/01/2004 6:39:10 AM PDT by tridentine

DETROIT — Regular weekly celebration of the “old Mass” will return to the Archdiocese of Detroit this fall, following Cardinal Adam Maida’s authorization of a celebration of the Tridentine Latin Mass at St. Josaphat Church, Detroit, beginning Oct. 3.

In a July 16 letter to priests of the archdiocese, Cardinal Maida noted that a 1984 indult was given by the Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship allowing the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated “for pastoral need,” and that Pope John Paul II has urged respect for the feelings of those attached to the Latin liturgical tradition by giving a “wide and generous application” to the directives.

“Those dioceses which have allowed the Tridentine liturgy have experienced a rebirth of evangelization and outreach to a variety of people, especially those who felt alienated from the Church because of the liturgical renewal of Vatican II,” the cardinal wrote.

Cardinal Maida designated the archdiocesan Office of Worship, under the supervision of Auxiliary Bishop John Quinn, to assume lead responsibility to the implementation of the indult. A cadre of priests will be trained to celebrate the Latin liturgy according to the norms of the 1962 Roman Missal.

He also said there will be an evaluation of how it is all working out sometime in early 2005.

The Tridentine Rite takes its name from the Council of Trent (1545-1563), and was first published in the Roman Missal promulgated on Dec. 5, 1570. It was not a new version of the Mass, but reflected the way the Mass had been said at Rome for at least a couple of centuries prior to that time, and was very much in the tradition of how the Mass had been celebrated for centuries before that. It replaced most local usages throughout the Western Church.

Except for Scripture readings and the homily, it is celebrated in Latin, with the celebrant’s back to the congregation. There is less congregational participation, and some of what the priest says is spoken in a low voice inaudible to the congregation.

The Tridentine Mass was replaced in 1969 by the Novus Ordo Mass, which can also be celebrated in Latin, but is typically celebrated in the vernacular (the language spoken by the people who attend it).

“It is my hope and prayer that the celebration of the Tridentine Latin Mass will facilitate ecclesial communion and foster a renewed appreciation for the Church’s rich liturgical tradition,” the cardinal said.

Fr. Mark Borkowski, administrator of St. Josaphat Parish, said the time for Tridentine Mass had not been finalized, but tentative plans call for it to be at 10 a.m. The parish currently has one Mass on Sundays, at noon, and that would remain, he said.

While, at age 39, he said he has no personal memories of the Tridentine Mass, he added that “since some Catholics want it, and the Holy Father has said it is permissible, I am happy to see that the cardinal has authorized it.”

“Catholicism is a broad religion with many different approaches to worship,” Fr. Borkowski said.

Situated on West Canfield at the corner of the Chrysler Freeway Service Drive in the Detroit Medical Center area, St. Josaphat is one of the most visible churches in the archdiocese, seen daily by tens of thousands of people who travel I-75.

vOne of Detroit’s historic Polish parishes, the small membership of the parish today – about 100 families – includes some of the old Polish families, but people of other ethnicities as well, including a sizeable Filipino contingent, Fr. Borkowski said.

“For as many people as pass it, very few have ever been inside. It is a beautiful, beautiful Victorian Gothic church,” he continued. He added that the parish social hall will be available, so that those who come to the Tridentine Mass can have a time for fellowship after Mass.

“Hopefully, those who come regularly will get to know each other, and some kind of community will develop,” Fr. Borkowski said.

But some people may just attend occasionally while maintaining their principal ties with their parish. Joseph Weglarz of Grosse Pointe is among those who have hoped the indult would be granted locally for some time, and said he expected he would attend the Tridentine Mass frequently.

“This announcement by Cardinal Maida is welcome news, and I believe the ‘old Mass’ is a very important part of the tradition of the Church, but I’m also attached to my parish,” said Weglarz, a member of St. Paul on the Lake Parish in Grosse Pointe Farms.


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; detroit; indult; latin; maida; mass; stjosaphat; tridentine
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1 posted on 08/01/2004 6:39:13 AM PDT by tridentine
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"In a July 16 letter to priests of the archdiocese, Cardinal Maida noted that a 1984 indult was given by the Vatican's Congregation for Divine Worship allowing the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated "for pastoral need," and that Pope John Paul II has urged respect for the feelings of those attached to the Latin liturgical tradition by giving a "wide and generous application" to the directives."

He just got the word?

2 posted on 08/01/2004 11:37:38 AM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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3 posted on 08/01/2004 11:58:17 AM PDT by MarMema
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4 posted on 08/01/2004 11:59:10 AM PDT by MarMema
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5 posted on 08/01/2004 12:00:54 PM PDT by MarMema
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6 posted on 08/01/2004 12:02:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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7 posted on 08/01/2004 12:03:56 PM PDT by MarMema
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bump


8 posted on 08/01/2004 12:09:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: tridentine; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ...
“Catholicism is a broad religion with many different approaches to worship,” Fr. Borkowski said.

Thank You!, Fr. Borkowski for affirming what I have been saying in this Religion Forum for the past several months.

The Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern, with 22 different liturgies - ALL of them Catholic. Within the one Catholic Church there are in fact many churches which maintain their own traditions of theology, liturgy, spirituality, and government that are quite different from those usually associated with "Roman," or Latin (Western) Catholicism. A Roman Catholic may attend any one of these liturgies to fulfill their Sunday obligation.

The Church began in the East. Our Lord lived and died and resurrected in the Holy Land. The Church spread from Jerusalem throughout the known world. As the Church spread, it encountered different cultures and adapted, retaining from each culture what was consistent with the Gospel. In the city of Alexandria, the Church became very Egyptian; in Antioch it remained very Jewish; in Rome it took on an Italian appearance and in the Constantinople it took on the trappings of the Roman imperial court. All the churches which developed this way were Eastern, except Rome.
CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES


"Hear us, O Lord; hear us, O Lord; hear us, O Lord.
May your holy and living Spirit descend
and overshadow us and our offering."
Epiclesis - Maronite Catholic Rite

There is no reason why anyone would have to look outside the Catholic Church, to find a valid liturgy.

9 posted on 08/01/2004 3:04:05 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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Bump!


10 posted on 08/01/2004 3:06:06 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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“Catholicism is a broad religion with many different approaches to worship,” Fr. Borkowski said.

Yes. And we can thank the Lord for that.

11 posted on 08/01/2004 3:09:06 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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Oh why not the Grotto??


12 posted on 08/01/2004 3:59:49 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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In the pictures at #3 and #7 it looks perfect for the Tridentine Mass. Plus it appears to have easy access from the highway. Deo gratias!


13 posted on 08/01/2004 4:00:37 PM PDT by ELS
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Maybe because they already have three Masses on Sunday and St. Josephat only has one?

Having experienced an indult Mass where an existing Sunday Mass was displaced to make room for the indult Mass, I will say that it helps if one can avoid it.

14 posted on 08/01/2004 4:10:45 PM PDT by ELS
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The Grotto has the Novus Ordo in Latin on Sunday, I understand. Why not replace it? Anyone who is attending a mass in Latin wants the Indult, don't you think?


15 posted on 08/01/2004 5:03:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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THANKS FOR THE PING!

16 posted on 08/01/2004 7:41:49 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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"In a July 16 letter to priests of the archdiocese, Cardinal Maida noted that a 1984 indult was given...."

He just got the word?

LOL.  I get the distinct impression that many shepherds want the flocks to develop and then exercise the virtue of patience!  ;-)  Pax et bonum.
17 posted on 08/01/2004 7:59:15 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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Oh why not the Grotto??

Because the Pastor of the Grotto is disliked (actually more than disliked) by many of the movers and shakers in this archdiocese. The Grotto is perfect for the Tridentine and the pastor already knows how to Celebrate the Tridentine Mass, he has done so in Toledo and I think in Canada. So of course he won't be allowed to, it would make too much sense.

I think the Cardinal is trying to avoid upsetting the Presbyteral Council even more than they already are by his decision. If he allowed Fr. Perrone to say the Mass, they might sabatage his golf clubs!!!

18 posted on 08/02/2004 9:47:37 PM PDT by Diva
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You know I feel bad about the Maida golf clubs crack. When the rumors were flying around about where the Tridentine would be offered I don't think this church was ever mentioned. It really isn't a parish as it only has an administrator and about 100 families I guess it is a commuter parish, but very beautiful and very visible. Many of us thought Maida would tuck the Trindentine away where it couldn't be seen or put it way out in the country. Having it at the Grotto or even bringing the FSSP to St. Joseph's would have been better. The Seminary should change their Sunday Mass schedule so those seminarians who want to attend and serve could. That would really push the lavender mafia over the edge! :)

We were told originally that there would be two Indult Masses, could there will be another announcement forth-coming.

19 posted on 08/03/2004 6:03:24 AM PDT by Diva
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>>The Seminary should change their Sunday Mass schedule so those seminarians who want to attend and serve could. That would really push the lavender mafia over the edge! :)<<

LOLOLOL!!!
Oh that's the truth!
I would have stuck a Mass right in the area of the SSPX, SSPV or independent churches. Bring the flock back if they can. I think that they would never go for it. however I feel that many people who attend the churches in Fraiser and Wayne etc. may just come back given the chance.


20 posted on 08/03/2004 6:24:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (A penny saved is a government oversight.)
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