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1 posted on 01/28/2005 6:54:01 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: Salvation

Do you think you might be able to help answer this question? I'm genuinely perplexed about this.


2 posted on 01/28/2005 6:55:00 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: Aggie Mama

We use the little cups. I wasn't aware that there was shared-cup drinking going on. Ewww. Is it just a Catholic thing?


3 posted on 01/28/2005 7:00:11 AM PST by jtminton (<><)
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To: Aggie Mama

**Is one obligated to take Communion from the cup in addition to the host?**

No, Christ is present both in the consecrated bread as well as the consecrated wine.

Thus, someone who is allergic to wheat can receive Communion as the "Blood of Christ."


4 posted on 01/28/2005 7:03:17 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aggie Mama

**how things used to be in the Church**

In pre-Vatican days, only the "Body of Christ" was offered in the form of the host at Communion.


5 posted on 01/28/2005 7:04:34 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aggie Mama
Quite frankly (and I'm sure I'll get flammed for this), I find the thought of everyone sharing the same cup just downright unsanitary. I told my husband that everyone drinking out of the same cup defiles the Blood of Christ. He went ballistic at that comment.

With all due respect, this is insulting the very meaning of communion. It is not just union with Christ, but union with the whole of the Catholic Church.

But...to answer your question, no. It is not necessary to receive the wine as Christ is wholly present in both the bread and wine. You are not "getting any more or less Jesus" by receiving one or both.

However, this troubles me: everyone drinking out of the same cup defiles the Blood of Christ

Think of Christ as spiritual bleach: you can't stain Him but He gets the stains out. Make sense?
6 posted on 01/28/2005 7:05:05 AM PST by mike182d
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To: Aggie Mama

The Council of Trent anathematizes anyone who states that one must receive under the species of both bread and wine. Only the priest is obligated to do this. Jesus Christ, whole and entire, body, blood, soul and divinity, is present really, truly and substantially in either just the bread or the wine.


7 posted on 01/28/2005 7:05:43 AM PST by Mershon
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To: Aggie Mama

**Why did things change after Vatican II?**

This one I will let the more schlarly answer.

You might also find the answers yourself in the GIRM (General Instructions of the Roman Missal).


8 posted on 01/28/2005 7:06:16 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aggie Mama

On the sanitary -- I have read about the natural effects of the consecrated wine. (†With God all things are possible.†)


9 posted on 01/28/2005 7:08:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aggie Mama

"Why did things change after Vatican II?"

Vatican II gave modernist heretics the opening they needed to damage the Church in many ways. When the priest was the only one who received the Blood of Christ, this was one more thing that set the priesthood apart...one more thing that made priests special.

Abolishing those sorts of things should logically translate into fewer vocations...and voila! It has.


14 posted on 01/28/2005 7:18:16 AM PST by dsc
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To: Aggie Mama

Boy, am I going to get flamed for this, but I also find the whole community sharing the precious vessel for Our Lord's most precious blood unsanitary as well. I was certainly around in pre-Vatican II days, and I believe I have only taken Our Lord's precious blood a handful of times, like at the weddings of one of my children. Under both forms, bread and wine, Our Lord is truly present, both Body and Blood in each form. I don't think you should feel obligated to receive under both forms, but I know I'm not giving you the theologically correct answer, but hang around, the answer will be thrashed out right here.


16 posted on 01/28/2005 7:21:46 AM PST by old and tired (E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!)
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To: Aggie Mama

Just to repeat what others have posted, might as well check your Catechism:

1390 Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace. For pastoral reasons this manner of receiving communion has been legitimately established as the most common form in the Latin rite. But "the sign of communion is more complete when given under both kinds, since in that form the sign of the Eucharistic meal appears more clearly." This is the usual form of receiving communion in the Eastern rites.


32 posted on 01/28/2005 8:02:03 AM PST by siunevada
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To: Aggie Mama
Our church uses the small communion cups. I've seen the communal cup used and it can be sanitary.

I was on church council awhile back and the sanitary issue was raised. I made a suggestion and was "shouted down".

I was sincere about using a wine skin. The communion assistant would take aim and give a squeeze. The communicant would just open his/her mouth. Of course, safety glasses would be provided.

47 posted on 01/28/2005 8:33:43 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: Aggie Mama

1) Your concerns are legitimate.
2) Having the cup of the Blood of Christ at every single mass is a liturgical abuse that has unfortunately been tolerated by Rome.

VT Parishioners Urged To Stop Sharing Chalice, Shaking Hands To Stop Flu

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=68943

BURLINGTON, Vt. (AP) -- You can pray you won't get the flu, but Vermont's Catholic bishop is urging other steps as well.

Bishop Kenneth Angell has urged worshippers of the state's largest religion to abstain from the Mass customs of sharing a chalice of wine and shaking hands for the next six months.

Angell made the request, believed to be the only one like it in the country, in a notice to the state's 130 Catholic parishes.

The nation is facing a shortage of flu vaccine because about half of this year's supply was found to be contaminated with bacteria.

Vermont had only about 36,000 doses on hand when the vaccine shortage was made public, state health officials said. They estimated the state still needs at least 50,000 more.

State Health Commissioner Paul Jarris is recommending the state's limited supply be given to chronically ill children and nursing home residents. He suggests everyone else take such precautions as avoiding close contact with people who are sick, washing hands often and keeping fingers away from the eyes, nose and mouth.

Catholics traditionally shake hands with parishioners in pews beside them when a priest calls for a "sign of peace" during Mass. They then receive a piece of communion bread and may sip from a shared chalice.

Among other denominations in Vermont, the 19,000-member United Methodist Church and the 18,000-member United Church of Christ will continue shaking hands and receiving communion from single-serving cups, while the 8,700-member Episcopal Church will let parishioners make their own decision.

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


61 posted on 01/28/2005 8:49:52 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (Rule One: No Poofters!)
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To: Aggie Mama

You don't have too. I also do not think it is sanitary. During flu season since I am highly susceptible to everything being asthmatic, I even take communion in the hand at a novus ordo parish since our priest has a habit to touching the tongue inadvertantly while giving communion. Each time, I've gotten very sick with chest infections.

Probably sounds heretical, but hospital stays are expensive and play havoc with home and work life.


81 posted on 01/28/2005 9:15:13 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Aggie Mama
I just re-posted the GIRM with links and updates about everything being discussed here!

General Instruction of the Roman Missal [G. I. R. M.]

89 posted on 01/28/2005 9:33:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aggie Mama
I'm divided in my mind on it:

On the one hand, if it's offered, is it an act of rejection to pass it up?

On the other hand, is it an act of vanity to receive it, as if to imply the Body is insufficient?

If I receive it, am I catering to the women's (and they always ARE women) desire to have a role at Mass, just as every child must have a part in the Christmas Pageant?

If I pass it up, will people think that I'm more concerned with "sanitary" issues than the Blood (I'm not.)?

In our parish, it's not a regular thing, only when the guy with celiac disease (I don't know who he is, just that there is someone) is present, he stops by the sacristy on his way in to tell them and there's just the one EEM with the chalice, and it hasn't happened that that's been the line I've been in.

In my mother-in-law's parish (different diocese), it's every Mass. I wish they didn't do that. Apart from all my moral questions, the logistics are horrible - some people go the the second line to receive & some don't. I generally don't.

98 posted on 01/28/2005 10:12:07 AM PST by nina0113
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*Quite frankly (and I'm sure I'll get flamed for this), I find the thought of everyone sharing the same cup just downright unsanitary*

First of all, I am receiving the blood of Christ. I'm not afraid.

Secondly, Port wine is used for it's high alcohol content for sanitary reasons.
Silver as a chalice does not promote bacterial growth.

You have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have never heard of anyone transmitting anything from shared chalice.

Lastly, It is well known in the congregation that if you are suffering from a cold, flu, or any other transmittable disease, you are to receive the blood dipped onto the host.
102 posted on 01/28/2005 10:27:13 AM PST by servantboy777
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and I'm sure I'll get flammed for this

no, flamming is for sissies.

117 posted on 01/28/2005 12:09:35 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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Communion under Both Kinds
The present practise of the Roman Rite is to give Holy Communion only under the species of bread. Only priests sacrificing receive under both kinds. The Council of Trent declared there was no Divine precept for others, neither are they deprived of any necessary graces, since the Body and Blood of Christ, whole and entire, is receiveq in each species. For weighty and just reasons the Church gave the force of law to the custom of Communion under the species of bread only. The Utraquist controversy (sub utraque specie, under both species) was definitely settled by this council. The necessity of communion under both kinds was first asserted in the 14th century in Bohemia, as a phase of the Hussite heresy and was considered in the councils of Constance (1415) and Basel (1431). Later revived by the Reformers, the Council of Trent left this decision to the pope. Pius IV authorized the giving of the chalice to the laity in Austria and Bohemia, but the practise did not flourish. Communion under both kinds has always been and is still practised with exceptions in the Eastern Church. That no Divine command exists is evident from Sacred Scripture. In the Gospel of Saint John (6) the same effects are promised to Communion under one or both kinds. It is a free question whether greater graces are received in Communion under both kinds, but the inconveniences of the practise outweigh the loss of these graces. Irreverence to the sacrament through danger of spilling, corruption, or the impossibility of procuring sufficient pure wine, may be instanced. The question is a matter of discipline and does not affect the substance of the sacrament. Exceptions to Communion under both kinds existed from the beginning and gradually for the reasons cited and others equally good, Communion under the species of bread alone became customary.

New Catholic Dictionary

118 posted on 01/28/2005 12:38:55 PM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: Aggie Mama

If I may suggest getting the video,
"What we lost and the road to restoration" 27.00
www.the-pope.com/isocmain,html
The old and proper way is to receive Communion only on the tongue(never toching Our Lord with your hands) only the conscrecrated hands of God'd priest should touch the Host.
Vaticanll has also destroyed this!!!!!!! The wine is for the priest alone unless in Orthodox Church it is different.
Get the Video !


120 posted on 01/28/2005 12:55:14 PM PST by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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