Posted on 04/15/2005 7:09:29 AM PDT by maryz
Well, at least they didn't spell it womyn's.
That's because they've managed to populate academia. I suspect they've managed to come too close to populating the chanceries, too.
LOL! You mean she wasn't quoted as saying that!
Hinsdale and Hollenbach are VOTF darlings.
I followed your link and read the customer reviews, most of which were positive. One reviewer, however, says Ms. Steichen fails to distinguish between "Catholic feminism" and New Age, wicca, etc. (though I gather from the other reviews that, in Ms. Steichen's opinion, it's the nuns she describes who don't make that distinction.) What did you think of the book yourself?
What a surprise -- I never would have guessed! ;-)
The book is a bit choppy: she's a journalist, not a book author, and it shows. It's more like loosely tied collection of newspaper articles.
"Catholic Feminism", as practiced at the conventions she attended, is a wide-ranging collection of heresies and apostacies. It's not all wicca and new-age-ism, it's also arianism, unitarianism, modalism, goddess worship, self worship, and a host of other problems. There may well be an authentically Catholic, orthodox, way of thinking that might also be described as 'feminism', but if it exists it wasn't represented at the conferences she attended.
There tends to be quite a bit of overlap between MSM liberals and academic liberals. And they tend to be funded by the same sources, same "foundations." They parrot each other, validate each other's ideological spin, creating the false impression of some sort of "consensus." The relevant concept is "consensus reality." If you can round up a few of the usual "experts" and get them all to say the same thing, it creates this illusion.
Bad idea. What most people are missing is when the schism becomes official, most of the dioceses in America will schism. There will be few places to attend Mass in union with Rome or the Catholic Faith. Is that what everyone wants?
What will likely happen is a huge amount of litigation over propterties. When that is settled, we will likely see faithful Catholic churches and schismatic Am-Churches side by side within dioceses.
And, if we, the faithful Catholics, happen to be on the loosing side of the property disputes, so be it. Better that we have a small, purified church with little material possessions than what the current situation is.
How exactly do you think a minority of Catholics will fare against bishops who hold rightful deeds to property?
There will be no other place to attend Mass. Given the state of N.O. catechetics, most of them will go along with the schism. They won't know any better nor will they have another place to go. The Church in America is whatever AmChurch decides. They hold the positions of power and property.
Think do the occurrence of independent TLM priests following V2. The same will happen if an outright schism happens, and it will be on a much larger scale. The only difference is, those priests will not be independent, and the Pope will appoint legitimate bishops to fill all the sudden vacancies. The people will see a very visible AmChurch and a very visible true Church and will follow accordingly.
The example of the Episcopal Church in the USA is instructional in this regard. The revisionists of Christian doctrine have followed a game plan that has worked perfectly. First, argue for diversity of theological voices and "dialogue" between different points of view. Then get enough revisionists (particularly on issues of sexuality) into the clergy and other positions of authority, and then, once a critical mass is reached, do an about face, forget diversity and dialogue, and crack down on orthodox believers for being hateful, misogynists and homophobic... Hopefully, Christ's promise to Peter about the gates of hell not prevailing against His Church will protect the Catholic Church on earth -- we're going to need all the divine protection we can get in the face of unrelenting Modernism!
Right on the money, Unam Sanctam! ECUSA, NO theologians and female "monastics" fulminating about women's issues are all part of the same thing, the surrender of the Church to the world; to the Spirit of the Age rather than the Holy Spirit. In a comfortable, self absorbed Western population, appeals to "rights" and "self fulfillment", etc. are just the buzz words to use.
"Just as the fishermen hide the hook with bait and covertly hook the fish, similarly, the crafty allies of the heresies cover their evil teachings and corrupt understanding with pietism and hook the more simple, bringing them to spiritual death." St. Isidore of Pelusium (Letter to Timothy the Reader
The apostate AmChurch bishops have possession of the property and the structure. The modernist redefinition of obedience is entrenched after 40 years. Rome can't fix the problem now, how do you think they'll come up with all these conservatives to fill alleged vacancies?
The picture you suggest is nothing more than a fantasy. The majority of you are not viewing this from a reality based perspective. Rome is afraid of a schism for the very reasons I stated. You are not being logical or practical.
condoms won't work...a lot of HIV in Africa is spread by promiscuity...but also spread by African medicine/scarification for pain.
Now, why a promiscuous person won't use a condom because it's a sin? Bull. Using a condom to protect one's wife is a minor sin...promiscuity is a major sin...in reality, the men won't use it becuase condom use goes against African culture. Other forms of non genital intercourse would be a better prevention for HIV among the promiscuous...
And condoms deteriorate quickly in 100 degree weather
So the BEST thing would be for the Pope to tolerate their abuses just enough so as to not cause formal schism, while turning out the philosophical and theological case for orthodoxy, and TRY to identify the Bishops who are with him in his tactics.
That's about what JP2 has done. You have to admit the present episcopacy has its shares of stinkers (Mahoney still lives), but a Rigali-led Amchurch is much better than the old Bernadin. By his own account, it just took JP2 too long to realize how bad the Amchurch was.
"TRY to identify the Bishops who are with him in his tactics."
"That's about what JP2 has done."
Oh, he identified them alright; Mahoney, Hubbard, Gumbleton, Lynch, Imesch, McCarrick.
Onward Christian soldiers!
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