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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin,

I see a clear difference between what you underwent and what the article is describing.

A "low self esteem' is quite different from clinical depression.

The main problem in our culture isn't a low self esteem, but rather a high self esteem. Folks are not taught that they are creatures, and God is Creator. People are taught that they are wonderful little bundles of protoplasm and they deserve only the best. (ala Joel Osteen)

When something untoward happens (and it will) they crumble.
16 posted on 05/04/2005 12:37:47 PM PDT by Gamecock ("It is absurd for the Creator to depend upon the creature..." Francis Turretin)
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To: Gamecock; ksen
A "low self esteem' is quite different from clinical depression.

I understand. But I was responding more directly to ksen's comment:

He said: My pastor holds the view the Psychology only exists to help us deal with the GUILT of our sin and not the sin itself.

So I don't think, in response to that statement, it really matters whether it was "clinical depression" or "low self esteem."

20 posted on 05/04/2005 12:42:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Will work for tagline.)
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To: Gamecock; Corin Stormhands
A "low self esteem' is quite different from clinical depression. The main problem in our culture isn't a low self esteem, but rather a high self esteem.

You no nothing about the roots of clinical depression. Aside from physical roots of clinical depression, such as a serious illness or injury; the roots of clinical depression are generally either an unwarranted sense of guilt that one is not good enough or narcissism.

You might want to get the Minerth and Maier books "Happiness is a Choice" and 'Love is a Choice" for a very Christian look at psychiatry.

30 posted on 05/04/2005 1:23:31 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Gamecock; Corin Stormhands
A "low self esteem' is quite different from clinical depression.

That's the critical point.

No one defends the excesses of the psychiatric profession. Too often the "experts" have made psychaitry explain away almost all responsibility for almost all people.

The equally horrific extreme is exemplified by Jay Adams books, where he claims even schizophrenia is a lie foisted upon us by the psychiatric lobby, but all "mental health" problems are spiritual at their core. Such wrong-headed ignorance can only harm those afflicted with organic, medical conditions whose counsellors fail to secure proper medical treatment for them.

41 posted on 05/04/2005 3:24:53 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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