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To: RobbyS
After all we worship a Jew.

The word Jew implies someone who follows the modern religion of Rabbinic Judaism.

Jesus Christ condemned the Rabbinic Judaism of His times for its hypocrisy and voiding of the Law. He certainly did not follow them.

Moreover, Blessed Mary was a Galilean, not a Judean (St. Joseph was a Judean from Bethlehem, but St. Mary was from Nazareth). The Jews had not lived in Galilee since the time of the Maccabean revolt (1 Maccabees 5.14-23). The people there who followed the Law were not genetically Judean, but were the mixed remnant of the 10 tribes of Israel and the gentiles who had moved in. Thus the utter contempt of the Rabbinic clique of Jesus' day for Him because of His Galilean roots (St. John 7.52), and even some of his own Apostles before they met Him (St. John 1.46). After all, it was "Galilee of the Gentiles" (Isaiah 9.1, St. Matthew 4.15). Galilee was a microcosm of the world, with all manner of ethnicities living amongst each other - Greeks, Arameans, Phoenicians, Israelites.

Jesus was purposefully born in Galilee of a woman of unknown ancestry because He came for all people. He certainly was not some Yeshiva Rebbe hunched over a desk muttering Talmudic verses.

If He is to be said to be anything, He should be called a wandering Aramean, like His father Abraham (Deuteronomy 26.5, St. Luke 1.55)

16 posted on 08/12/2005 1:33:10 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

You have a different take on history than I do. In my view, rabbinical Judaism was established after the destruction of the temple, a development of certain strands of the Pharisees.
A woman of unknown ancestery? Galilee was a frontier region for the Hasmonean government. It may be speculated that Joseph was a native of of means who had relatives in Nazareth, of whom Mary may have been one. In any case, Mary was a woman of Israel, otherwise Jesus was not a Jew, which is, of course what you choose to believe. It is strange therefore that he limited his ministry to the Jews, with the exception of his mission into Samaria. He did say that salvation is from the Jews, unless you are trying to spin that as an ironical statement.


17 posted on 08/12/2005 2:10:22 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Jesus Christ condemned the Rabbinic Judaism of His times for its hypocrisy and voiding of the Law. He certainly did not follow them.

So now, what do you with this?

Matthew 5:16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. 17 Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 He therefore that shall break one of these least commandments, and shall so teach men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Notes:17 "To fulfill"... By accomplishing all the figures and prophecies; and perfecting all that was imperfect.
18 "Amen"... That is, assuredly of a truth. This Hebrew word, amen, is here retained by the example and authority of all the four Evangelists. It is used by our Lord as a strong asseveration, and affirmation of the truth.
20 "The scribes and Pharisees"... The scribes were the doctors of the law of Moses: the Pharisees were a precise set of men, making profession of a more exact observance of the law: and upon that account greatly esteemed among the people.



20 posted on 08/12/2005 5:00:38 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (It translates as "72 raisins of startling white clarity" NOT 72 fair skinned maidens.)
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