TBN Suspends IIB

This warning proved to be accurate immediately after my return to the US. The International Intelligence Briefing has been removed from the air on TBN for the entire month of December (and perhaps never to be broadcast again?). Some at the network apparently feel that my message is too pro-Israel and too anti-Muslim. This is confusing to me because my message is the same as it has been for the entire twelve years of presenting the IIB program. It has not changed one iota.

The program this week addressed the tremendous political upheaval in Israel – including the toppling of the government – in the wake of the Gaza withdrawals. It warned about the peril the US faces if we pull out of Iraq and leave the perception that radical Islamic terrorists defeated the worlds only superpower.. A unique and dynamic exclusive interview that I was fortunate enough to conduct with Binyamin Netanyahu while in Jerusalem was also rejected from being aired on this week’s show.

The feeling must be that honestly reporting news on current issues concerning radical Islam is thwarting evangelism to Muslims at large, particularly Palestinians. I personally believe that both Christian Palestinians and moderate Muslims – who are being intimidated and persecuted by the radicals – actually welcome honest reporting on the situation.

Hal tells the truth clear and plain, other folks on tbn probably pussy foot and skidaddle like girly men around the issue....but here's tbns blablabla

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47691
MEDIA MATTERS
TBN admits concern about offending Muslims
Network revises statement on pre-emption of Hal Lindsey show

Posted: December 2, 2005
1:45 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Hal Lindsey (pbs.org)
After insisting the pre-emption of Hal Lindsey's television show had nothing to do with content, a Trinity Broadcasting Network spokesman retracted his statement, admitting officials were concerned, at least secondarily, about offending Arabs and Muslims.

As WorldNetDaily reported, John Casoria, general counsel for the network, responded yesterday to Lindsey's contention that the weekly program "International Intelligence Briefing" had been canceled for December, and possibly permanently, because its message was deemed "too pro-Israel and too anti-Muslim."

Casoria initially replied, "That is absolutely, 100 percent false."

But now, after talking with network programming officials, he says a secondary reason for pre-empting the show was that it "placed Arabs in a negative light."

The overwhelming reason, he still insists, is TBN requires all its programming during December to have a Christmas theme.

"When a programmer chooses not to do so, they are pre-empted so that TBN can focus its attention on the holidays," Casoria said. "Hal is very well aware of this."

Casoria said a "letter generally goes out to all the programmers letting them know this is the case," pointing out at least 20 other programs have been pre-empted because they didn't have a Christmas theme.

But Lindsey told WND this was the first time he had been pre-empted for the entire month of December, noting his program previously had been replaced only the week before Christmas.

He also pointed out TBN had him come in Tuesday to tape this week's show but informed him afterward, "through the chain of command," to stop production because they didn't like the script.

Lindsey, a WND columnist, said he has to drive 130 miles to the network's studios in Orange County, California, to record the show.

Casoria said he could not recall specific examples from Lindsey's programs that were anti-Arab or anti-Muslim, but he expressed the network's concern about how Muslims are portrayed.

"TBN is a worldwide ministry; we have an entire channel that airs 24 hours a day, seven days a week in Arabic," he said. "We are trying to reach the Islamic world and open a dialogue with them regarding Christ and Christianity."

Casoria explained, "We do not feel that the best witness of Christ is to bash them but rather to show them the nature of Christ – the way Christ said to present himself – and that is through love, understanding and the presentation of the gospel to them."

Lindsey argued, however, his program is not shown in the Middle East.

"My show is produced for the Western world and for Christians who are at the most risk from radical Islam," he said.

Lindsey said that in the show that was canceled this week, he made a clear distinction between Muslims seeking jihad and those who want only a job and normal life for their families.

"I cast radical Muslims in a bad light," he said, "showing how they are intimidating and persecuting moderate Muslims in the Middle East."

Casoria said he believes the extremists are not Muslims at all but have "hijacked the religion."

As a Christian, he sees Islam as a false religion – believing there is only one way to God, through Jesus Christ – but he says Islam basically is peaceful.

"That's where we violently disagree," Lindsey said. "Islam is not a peaceful religion; although there may be moderate Muslims, it's because they have not become followers of the Quran."

Lindsey said in a message to supporters on his website that TBN's decision is "confusing to me because my message is the same as it has been for the entire 12 years of presenting the IIB program. It has not changed one iota."

Asked to respond, Casoria said, speaking personally, "Hal Lindsey's program has clearly changed over the last 12 years, as has Hal Lindsey."

"If you look at his earlier writings and you look at what he writes today, there is definitely a hard edge," he said. "That's my personal feeling."

Lindsey responded, "I doubt if he's read anything I've ever written."

"If there is any hard edge to what I'm saying now, it's post 9-11, when the threat from radical Islam has became readily apparent," Lindsey said. "It's been since that time that my program has soared in the ratings."

After the program didn't turn up in its usual Wednesday time slot, viewers began contacting the network, and by yesterday afternoon, a flood of calls had shut down the switchboard, Lindsey said.

Casoria said "International Intelligence Briefing" would be back on the air in January, but Lindsey claims he was told the show's future would be discussed in the new year.

Asked to respond, Casoria said, "If that statement was made by Hal Lindsey, I think it's a little paranoia on his part."

Casoria said Lindsey and TBN chief Paul Crouch, who founded the network with his wife Jan, have been friends for a long time.

"I'm sure these very reasonable men can resolve these issues," said Casoria, a nephew of the Crouches.

Lindsey said he has "no axe to grind."

I've been happy with my opportunities at TBN," he said. "I'm happy with the platform I've had."

Previous story:

Hal Lindsey's 'anti-Muslim' show dropped

I love jan Markell also - here is her email today regarding the subject.

December 2 -
TBN Acknowledges Lindsey Dismissal Due to Anti-Muslim Position

I regret to report that the Trinity Broadcasting Network has admitted on today's "World Net Daily" that they did, in fact, drop Hal Lindsey's "International Intelligence Briefing" due to Hal's anti-Muslim stand.
As Hal states in the story, "My show is produced for the Western world and for Christians who are at the most risk from radical Islam." He said in this week's show, which was pre-empted, that he made a clear distinction between Muslims seeking jihad and those who want only a job and a normal life for their families.

Yet TBN states that Muslims causing the problems in the world today are "extremists" who have hijacked the religion. It is basically peaceful.

Lindsey replies, "That's where we violently disagree. Islam is not peaceful; although there may be moderate Muslims, it's because they have not become followers of the Koran." He says his message has not changed "one iota" for twelve years, though TBN says his programming has "clearly changed over the last 12 years." If it has, what would have caused that? How about the stark reality of 9/11?

Since 9/11 Lindsey's TBN program has soared in the ratings to the number one program on the Trinity Broadcasting Network. I don't believe TBN is counting the cost here.

This will be my main theme on air this weekend. If you would like to express your opinion and we're not in your city, you can listen live at www.kkms.com, then click on "Listen Live." If you have problems, hold down the Ctrl key as you click on "Listen Live." We headquarter out of AM980 KKMS in Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN. Programming is posted by Monday to "radio archives" at www.olivetreeviews.org.

Since censorship and political correctness have so entered the Christian world, without the voice of protest from those who stand for truth, where will it end?

I have had hundreds of emails on this situation. They range from outrage, to "why is Hal on that Network anyway?" to haranguing at me for being a supporter of the truth Hal shares in his books, TV program, and my conferences. Those who take a different view of eschatology are in true form: blatantly rude and excoriating. Lindsey said that at my conference this fall: Those who differ in eschatological views from the truth can be viscous. Others are hopeful an even better platform will open.

Hal also told one of my board members in October at our conference that Jan Crouch does the programming. Jan is a "Dominionist". In other words, she believes that the church will make the world perfect before Jesus can return. I am not sure if Paul Crouch takes that stand as he has produced or co-produced some excellent films, some on Bible prophecy. Hal has had many talks with Jan Crouch trying to change her theology but to no avail.

TBN does have an outreach to the Muslim world but if it's at the expense of shutting off the truth about Israel, their work may not be blessed (Gen. 12:3).

To contact TBN, write to comments@tbn.org or call 1-714-832-2950. You will then have a menu. Dial "0". That is, if the phone system is restored.

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Jan Markell

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Jan wrote this aboutDominionism last month:

We Can’t Return to the Garden of Eden
by: Jan Markell

There are many new “pop theologies” today that are just plain false that are still very popular. Chief among them seems to be a theology that goes by different names but believe a lot of the same things: Kingdom Now, Dominion Theology, Latter Rain, and Reconstructionism are among them. At the root with some variations is that man will take dominion over this earth and change it for the better. In fact, many who hold to these theologies say that the church will make the world perfect and then and only then can the Lord return. So in essence, we will return to nearly the Garden of Eden. The church will make the world a glorious planet and rid the world of evil and then the Kingdom of God will be ushered in.

Some will go as far as saying that Christ just cannot return until the church regains control of the earth. God’s law must dominate all aspects of society BEFORE the Lord returns. These people do not believe in a Rapture of the church, a literal Battle of Armageddon, or a literal antichrist. There is absolutely no role for Israel present or future. The Lord will come back after a significant end-time revival which the Latter Rain folks particularly teach. The Bible says otherwise: That only during the Tribulation will the 144,000 Jewish evangelists (Rev. 7) lead quite a revival during the Tribulation and not before.

It sounds good for an aching planet but none of these theologies are all that biblically sound. When Jesus returns to rule and reign out of Jerusalem and establishes His Kingdom on earth, He will clean up the planet. He does not need the church or the help of any other organization or denomination. The Lord is already King over all the earth. His Kingdom rules over all. “Your Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and your dominion endures through all generations” (Ps. 145:13). Jesus says in John 18:36, “My Kingdom is not of this world…my Kingdom is from another place.” So why does any earthly entity feel THEY have to establish the Kingdom?

Are we anywhere near perfection? No, and additionally, the Bible says that the last days will be characterized by increasing evil and the decline of society as well as moral character (II Tim. 3). There is to be a great end-time apostasy, not a revival. These theologies are leading the sheep into dangerous territory.

Just as troubling is the fact that ecumenicity has a big role to play with these theologies as all denominations and belief systems must come together and work as one to pull off this Kingdom of Heaven on earth before the King Himself does it. A lot of this rests on human ability and wisdom, not on God’s sovereignty. Don’t we rely on the power of God and not on man’s “greatness?” There is nothing man touches that he does not tarnish just because of the Fall. The Bible does not tell us to change mankind by social action and our own hard work. So empire-building arrogance can surround believers with these false teachings. They can cause one to be in love with the world and long less for our Lord’s return and rule and even long less for Heaven itself.

The bottom line is that these theologies think they might create an atmosphere of such earthly perfection. Jesus is restricted to Heaven until the church restores the earth. Jesus’ coming isn’t an appointed time of God but rather appointed by the church.

To learn more, visit my Web site, www.olivetreeviews.org, then to the categories of “Spiritual Deception” and “Prophecy Watch.”

(Jan Markell is founder/director of Olive Tree Ministries. To learn more, receive her free, print newsletter or e-mail alerts, visit the Web site, www.olivetreeviews.org.)

Monday, October 31, 2005

Same month, Oct 05, Jack Kinsell wrote this, he works with Lindsey and Markell:

Post-Millennialism/Kingdom Now--Kinsella
--> Posted to Prophecy for October, 2005

Another Sign of the Times

One of the world's most famous post millennial evangelists said the recent spate of earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters may mean we 'might' be in the end times before the return of Christ as described by the Bible.

Interviewed on CNN, former presidential candidate and shoot-from-the-lip evangelist Pat Robertson told the audience:

"If you read back in the Bible, the letter of the apostle Paul to the church of Thessalonica, he said that in the latter days before the end of the age that the Earth would be caught up in what he called the birth pangs of a new order. And for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going into labor, you know how these labor pains begin to hit. I don't have any special word that says this is that, but it could be suspiciously like that."

In a nutshell, the post millennial school of interpretation teaches that Jesus will not return until Christianity becomes the prevailing global religion. Writes A. H. Strong in his Systematic Theology;

"Through the preaching of the Gospel in all the world, the kingdom of Christ is steadily to enlarge its boundaries, until Jews and Gentiles alike become possessed of its blessings, and a millennial period is introduced in which Christianity generally prevails throughout the earth."

Postmillennialists, therefore, believe that Jesus does not return until AFTER the Millennial Kingdom comes to a close. They believe it is the Church, not Christ Himself, that establishes the Kingdom of heaven here on earth.

Jesus does not return until His kingdom has been prepared to receive Him. It isn't Jesus that claims dominion over the earth, but rather, it is the Church that presents it to Him.

The millennium is not understood to involve a visible reign of Christ in the form of an earthly monarchy, nor is the millennial period to be taken literally as necessarily 1000 years long.

By contrast, I am a pre-millennialist. I believe Jesus will return for His Church before the Tribulation, and then He will return as conquering King at the conclusion of the Tribulation Period. He will then set up His earthly kingdom at Jerusalem, where He will rule the world for a thousand years.

Postmillennialism also teaches that there is no distinction between the Church and Israel. post millennial teaching says the Church IS spiritual Israel. The modern state of Israel has no place in God's plan for the last days.

Writes Charles Ryrie, "Postmillennialism conceives of the unfilled Abrahamic promises as being fulfilled by the church and, of course, not in any literal sense. It's method of interpretation is generally to spiritualize prophecy."

Pat Robertson holds to a form of postmillennialism called dominion theology or dominionism.

Robertson’s best-selling 1982 book, "The Secret Kingdom", written after the first "Washington for Jesus" rally and while he was beginning seriously to consider running for public office, could qualify as a primer on dominion theology.

Robertson told CNN; "What was called the blessed hope of the Bible is that one day Jesus Christ would come back again, start a whole new era, that this world order that we know would change into something that would be wonderful that we'd call the millennium. . . And before that good time comes there will be some difficult days and there will be likened to what a woman goes through in labor just before she brings forth a child."

When asked if the world was approaching that moment, Robertson said, "It's possible. I don't have any special revelation to say it is but the Bible does indicate such a time will happen in the end of time. And could this be it? It might be."

Assessment:

This isn't intended to ridicule Pat Robertson, although to me, the whole Reconstruction/Kingdom Now/Dominionist scheme of interpretation is ridiculous. Robertson said he had 'no special revelation' that these are the endtimes, but this 'could be it.'

More or less. I suppose. Maybe. Or, maybe not. Who knows?

That's the problem with interpreting the Bible literally throughout, while allegorizing and spiritualizing away those passages that deal with the last days. It works just fine until you realize you've run face-first into the last days, but NOW you've got the problem of figuring out what the heck to call them.

Robertson's social gospel begins to fall apart once one stops allegorizing away troublesome problems like predictions dealing with the apostasy of the last days leading to a major spiritual decline, rather than the Dominionist ideal of conquering the world for Christ before He returns.

The social gospel of amillennialism demands a spiritual resurgence that results in the 'kingdom of Christ steadily enlarging its boundaries, until Jews and Gentiles alike become possessed of its blessings' -- end times prophecy promises the exact opposite.

The Bible promises that 'evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.' (2nd Timothy 3:1-7) It promises that a global apostasy and spiritual decline will lead the world away from Christ and into the waiting arms of the antichrist. (2nd Thessalonians 2:7-8)

But there isn't a lot of prestige or money attached to being a premillennial Dispensationist -- who wants to be known as a prophet of doom and gloom?

Hal Lindsey is pretty famous because he awakened a sleeping world to the signs of the times, but it is the prophets of the social gospel who are the regular religious commentators on CNN and Fox that get all the airtime.

There will be those who will get angry at me or will write to point out this comment or that from Pat Robertson that suggest Robertson is a supporter of Israel, or a believer in the Rapture or takes Bible prophecy seriously. But that is because Robertson's theology shifts with the political winds.

It was only a couple of months ago Robertson was praying on-air for a liberal Supreme Court justice to die so there'd be an opening on the court. A week before that, he was advocating the assassination of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.

But the point isn't Pat Robertson. It isn't even postmillennialism.

The point is that Robertson, a life-long advocate of the postmillennialist social gospel, seems to be preaching a form of premillennial Dispensationalism. But not because life-long advocates of premillennial Dispensationalism convinced him they were right.

The signs of the times did.

Ezek 34:1-24
34:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

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