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To: vladimir998
You were wrong. Accept that reality or continue to embarrass yourself as you please, but the scriptures show you were wrong.

Sorry vlad, but the scriptures prove I am right.

Jesus was a heretic to those who wanted him crucified. One man's heresy is another man's orthodoxy.

Heresy

1Co_11:18-19. Schisms (Greek: "schisma") meant "divisions" through differences of opinion of recent standing. "Heresies" meant "schisms inveterate". "Sect" (Greek "heresy") Act_5:17; Act_15:5. Paul means by "there must be heresies among you," that sin must bear its natural fruit, as Christ foretold (Luk_17:1), and schisms (compare 1Co_12:25) must eventuate in mattered secessions or confirmed schisms. "Heresy" did not yet bear its present meaning, "doctrinal error". However see its use in Act_24:14.

Faucett's Bible Dictionary

Paul actually noted in Act 24:14 that the Church itself was considered a Heresy.

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets.

So the fact is that Paul was being accused of heresy when in fact he was preaching the truth. Simply because someone calls another a heretic does not mean that it is the alleged heretic who does not believe the Truth.

I suspect that Tyndale was much closer to the truth than those who unscriptually ordered him executed for his beliefs.

15 posted on 12/11/2005 11:16:50 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

You wrote: "Sorry vlad, but the scriptures prove I am right."

No, look again. I proved with more than one verse that Christ was condemned for blasphemy. We were not talking about Paul.

"Jesus was a heretic to those who wanted him crucified. One man's heresy is another man's orthodoxy."

Incorrect. We KNOW that Christ was condemned for blasphemy. We KNOW that Tyndale was condemned for heresy.


Your verses merely prove my point. The very word is a Greek word used by Christians. It was rarely used and it was never used against Christ except indirectly in Acts 24:5 and 24:14 and not as "heresy" but as "sect". In other words, the word was used as a description of a group, not as a description of an idea, or doctrine. Nice try.

You ignore that "hairesis" was used inthe same way to describe the "sects" of Judaism: Acts 5:17, 15:5. And Christians, 28:22. And almost typically you ignore Matthew 26:65.

"So the fact is that Paul was being accused of heresy when in fact he was preaching the truth."

Paul was accused of being a member of a sect -- and that is how he described it to Luke in Greek. Note that the word BLASPHEMER was used against Jesus, not HERESY.

"Simply because someone calls another a heretic does not mean that it is the alleged heretic who does not believe the Truth."

A mere person did not call Tyndale a heretic when he was condemned. A tribunal empowered with such decisions convicted him of heresy.

"I suspect that Tyndale was much closer to the truth than those who unscriptually ordered him executed for his beliefs."

That was the punishment for the crime. The punishment was carried out. Their action may have been wrong or excessive, but they were certainly right to convict him of heresy in the first place.


19 posted on 12/11/2005 2:19:00 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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