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To: vladimir998
He cannot be a heretic since He is perfect.

But you stated that he was not being crucified because he was a heretic, but because he was a blasphemer.

The fact is that the Romans crucified him because they had evidence that he was claiming to be the King of the Jews. That would be treason. The stated reason that the Jewish Authorities had sought to kill him was because he allegedly blasphemed. But the Jews had no authority in Roman Palestine to have anyone executed for blasphemy. So they trumped up a charge of treason. In actuality the Jewish Authorities probably could have cared less that Jesus claimed to be God, but their concern was that he, like Luther and Tyndale who followed, was a threat to their Religious authority. He directly challenged the authority of the religious leaders of his day and claimed that their traditions had made the word of God of no effect. For that reason the Jewish Authorities wanted him dead. They needed him dead. He was upsetting the apple cart.

In the eyes of those who crucified him Jesus was a heretic. Paul stated categorically that what he considered "the way" to worship God was what was referenced by his accusers as "heresy". In that sense Paul was a heretic. In that sense I too am a heretic.

18 posted on 12/11/2005 2:14:03 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

P-Marlowe,

You wrote:

"But you stated that he was not being crucified because he was a heretic, but because he was a blasphemer."

No, I stated why He was condemned by Jewish leaders. I never mentioned His crucifixion or the Romans. Disagree with what I say, not what your mind imagines I said.

"The fact is that the Romans crucified him because they had evidence that he was claiming to be the King of the Jews."

And that is entirely irrelevant to what we are talking about since that is neither about His condemnation by Jews or about heresy or blasphemy. Care to stay on topic?

"That would be treason. The stated reason that the Jewish Authorities had sought to kill him was because he allegedly blasphemed. But the Jews had no authority in Roman Palestine to have anyone executed for blasphemy. So they trumped up a charge of treason. In actuality the Jewish Authorities probably could have cared less that Jesus claimed to be God, but their concern was that he, like Luther and Tyndale who followed, was a threat to their Religious authority."

Tyndale was not a threat to anyone's "Religious authority". His ideas were a threat to souls.

"He directly challenged the authority of the religious leaders of his day and claimed that their traditions had made the word of God of no effect. For that reason the Jewish Authorities wanted him dead. They needed him dead. He was upsetting the apple cart."

And they condemned Him for blasphemy, and not heresy.

"In the eyes of those who crucified him Jesus was a heretic. Paul stated categorically that what he considered "the way" to worship God was what was referenced by his accusers as "heresy". In that sense Paul was a heretic. In that sense I too am a heretic."

No. The word was used to describe a group and not an idea. You are comparable to Paul in beliefs -- except in the lacking way. Your ego is as immense as your lack of knowledge is obvious.


20 posted on 12/11/2005 2:29:08 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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