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Faithful, Yet Not Traditional Catholics (Faithful to who?)
LA Times ^ | June 4, 2006 | David Hadlane

Posted on 06/05/2006 10:29:56 PM PDT by right-wingin_It

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To: wolfcreek
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever

*Brother, while you are still alive there is time to rethink your ideas.

21 posted on 06/06/2006 5:59:08 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: right-wingin_It
"People who've never been married have a hard time knowing themselves."

Someone told me to deny myself, pick up my cross and follow Him. But then, He was unmarried, wasn't He?

22 posted on 06/06/2006 6:08:21 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: right-wingin_It
This guy is just one small part of the rich American tradition of custom-built churches.

Check out this link for a thorough catalogue of the weird, whacky "independent" church-people who've all heard the call of .....ahhh.....their inner self, I guess.

Among the illustrious clerics whom we are lucky enough to have been blessed with:
Right Rev. John P. Johnston, ChCStI, Bishop and Religious of the Virtual Order of St. Isidore of Seville; His Divine Grace Daniel Clay, Bishop of the Church Universal and Global (formerly, The Divine Assembly of Holy Prophets) and Religious of the Order of the Mystical Rose; and of course the Most Rev. Dr. Chief Alexander Swift Eagle Justice, Bishop of the Mexican National Catholic Church, Bishop of the Western Federation Church, and a licensed pilot.

And here is the man himself, his Lordship....er....his Loopiness, Bishop Hickman.


23 posted on 06/06/2006 6:14:20 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: right-wingin_It; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
FYI .. The article goes on to highlight the bogus 2001 "ordination" of the woman from Rochester, NY diocese. Apparently her parish priest was canned (hopefully for heresy if what the article says is true), whereby she thought she'd take his place.


The Rev. Mary Ramerman

History of Spiritus Christi

24 posted on 06/06/2006 7:26:34 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: epow
but it is very sad and disappointing to me to see Catholic churches and clerics going down the same road to politically correct ruin that so many mainline denomination Protestant churches have gone down over the last century.

I completely agree with you ... but if this cat is a "Catholic Bishop", I'm the King of Siam.

26 posted on 06/06/2006 7:50:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

I'm honestly surprised that the man is married (to a woman) and has children.


27 posted on 06/06/2006 7:54:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow; NYer; ArrogantBustard


This is a "catholic bishop?!!?!?" ROFL! My beloved mean old cat in Heaven is more Catholic than this character. My Southern Baptist Sunday School teacher in the 7th grade was more Catholic than this chracter.
28 posted on 06/06/2006 8:22:07 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: sandyeggo
"HONORS THE DIVINE FEMININE
We recognize that the one true God speaks with both feminine and masculine voices. We listen for it. We maintain that God touches us in many ways. We respond. The Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine manifest through and in us..."

This passage explains, of course, why the Three Persons of the Trinity are called the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY GHOST. Note the abundant references to femininity and the Feminine Divine implicit here. Who told us that these are the names of the Persons of the Holy Trinity? Why Jesus Christ, the SON, especially in the Gospel of John.

"OPEN COMMUNION
We hold that a chief purpose of the church is to perpetuate the historical sacramental tradition as instituted by Jesus Christ, and as preserved through apostolic succession. We maintain that the sacraments are channels of divine grace. Therefore, we make the sacraments easily available to all. Since the Eucharist puts us in communion with the Christ, it is a channel of Grace without parallel. Therefore, at our altars all reverent persons are welcome to receive communion, whether members of the Church of Antioch or not.

Which is why, of course, in a Catholic Mass, the Church uses the beautiful phrase of the Roman Centurion, just before communion which commemorates the words he uttered when he had invited Christ to please heal his servant!: "Domine, non sum dignus, ut intres sub tectum meum: sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur anima mea!"

OPEN HOLY ORDERS
Holy Orders are open to all, regardless of gender, marital status, or sexual orientation. While we value of the principle of the “priesthood of the laity,” we also recognize the importance of valid of Holy Orders for the administration of the sacraments. Our solution is to make orders available to all qualified candidates who wish to serve Christ through ordained ministry..."

This is precisely how the Levitical priesthood was instituted which of course included Aaron, his wife, his goat and his male and female children!! This is the model that extends from the Old Testament and which was utilized by Christ in instituting the New Covenant. The Biblical reference for it is in my Confutatus Maledictus Version of the Bible. Let me see if I can find it!

29 posted on 06/06/2006 8:31:27 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: right-wingin_It
"Marriage promotes growth," says Hickman, 50, who has fathered five children, been married three times and divorced twice.

The only thing that's growing is his divorce lawyer's bank account.
30 posted on 06/06/2006 8:49:29 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: right-wingin_It
"People who've never been married have a hard time knowing themselves."

**************

What an ego.

31 posted on 06/06/2006 9:15:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: right-wingin_It

I love it. "Faithful", but "reject the Pope". Methinks the demonic hold is not on Rome, but somewhere else.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 9:45:02 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Frank Sheed

Great sarcasm.


33 posted on 06/06/2006 9:47:44 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: NYer
Ah! The abomination in the temple?


34 posted on 06/06/2006 9:49:10 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever; sandyeggo

Sigh... I LOVED the old Requiem Masses with Black Vestments and the Dies Irae being chanted! Look what we have lost of our glorious patrimony! Thank the Lord for Mozart, however!

http://www.johndavies.com.au/writing_requiem_mass.htm

CONFUTATIS MALEDICTUS

Confutatis maledictus,
flammis accribus addictis,
voca me cum benedictis.
Oro supplex et acclinis:
cor contritum quasi cinis;
gere curam mei finis.

After having confounded the wicked and consigned them to the fierce flames, call me along with the Blessed! I pray kneeling before you with a contrite heart as if in ashes. Take care of me at the end.


36 posted on 06/06/2006 10:21:19 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: right-wingin_It

To whom.....faithful to whom!


37 posted on 06/06/2006 10:36:37 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: right-wingin_It

###"Marriage promotes growth," says Hickman, 50, who has fathered five children, been married three times and divorced twice. "People who've never been married have a hard time knowing themselves."###

We can only pray for his and his family's souls.


38 posted on 06/06/2006 12:10:07 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Following is from another thread mentioning the Mass for my cousin:

I wonder what Fr. Tran would have said if he attended my cousin's funeral last Friday. It was completely Latin including the Mass being sung in Latin by the Choir.

It was at St Stanislaus RC Church, 17 Pulaski Hwy, Pine Island, NY. Archdiocese of New York.

There were 6 altar boys and the eldest was about 16. He assisted the Priest, a Monsignor in his mid 70s. By hand motions, the older altar boy directed the other altar boys, aged 5 to about 8 in their duties. They had the black hassocks and white pull overs. The 5 year old looked like he was sent down from heaven to assist. They did not miss a beat. My local church is Novo Ordo and the servers are male and female wearing the usual white robes. Of course they don't know their right from their left in serving.

The amazing thing was the attendance at the Mass. My cousin had volunteered at the local Catholic Hospital for 13 years. It was there while volunteering that he had a stroke and passed a week later at age 87. His wife, Martha had died this past September at age 87 and also had a Latin Mass. I know my cousin was popular but not that popular to fill a church. Yes it was the Latin Mass that did it.

At one point during the Epistles, the 3 smallest guys sat on the first step of the altar. I would swear they were cherubim at the feet of our Lord.

The Monsignor turned as he was ready to distribute communion and warned the non-Catholics not to come for Communion. During a short homily over my cousin, he spoke of my cousin and his wife's piety and emphasized the holiness and sacredness of the Latin Funeral Mass. He emphasized the spiritualness and quietness and I really believe he was using that moment to compare the Masses.

He was adorned in black as I remember those Masses in the 1930s.


39 posted on 06/06/2006 12:34:24 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Salvation
Agree with you completely. This is not a Catholic Church with a capital C.

"They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us."

"For there must be also heresies: that they also, who are approved, may be made manifest among you."

40 posted on 06/06/2006 1:15:21 PM PDT by FJ290
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