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Faithful, Yet Not Traditional Catholics (Faithful to who?)
LA Times ^ | June 4, 2006 | David Hadlane

Posted on 06/05/2006 10:29:56 PM PDT by right-wingin_It

Like Catholic priests everywhere, Bishop Peter Hickman dons a white tunic each Sunday to celebrate Mass in a sanctuary laden with incense and crosses.

Unlike most, he'll often have lunch with his wife and children afterward.

"Marriage promotes growth," says Hickman, 50, who has fathered five children, been married three times and divorced twice. "People who've never been married have a hard time knowing themselves."

Marriage and children aren't the only things separating Hickman from nearly all Roman Catholic clergy. The church he has pastored for more than 20 years, St. Matthew in Orange, operates much like any other Catholic church, and offers what appear to be the same sacraments. Yet it ordains female, married and openly gay priests, recognizes divorce, accepts birth control and premarital sex, blesses same-sex unions and, most important, rejects the authority of the pope.

Occupying cramped storefront quarters in a strip mall, Hickman and his church have become the center of the nation's largest coalition of liberal independent Catholic churches, the Ecumenical Catholic Communion.

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"Our Catholic identity is very important to us," Hickman says, "but the Catholic Church no longer has a monopoly on sacraments." Speaking to his congregation, Hickman goes even further, saying the Roman church hierarchy has betrayed the Gospel.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: catholic; ecc; ecumenicalcatholic; gaymarriage; heresy; hickman; ramerman; sacrilege; sin
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The rotten fruit falls from the tree...

What a title for this garbage, eh? Faithful to who, exactly!?! For cryin out loud, the guy had 3 marriages...The only thing these people seem faithful to is themselves...(Themselves being American Sodomites) The tile should read "Faithelss and Not Traditional Catholics".

FYI .. The article goes on to highlight the bogus 2001 "ordination" of the woman from Rochester, NY diocese. Apparently her parish priest was canned (hopefully for heresy if what the article says is true), whereby she thought she'd take his place.

1 posted on 06/05/2006 10:30:01 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: NYer

ping


2 posted on 06/05/2006 10:31:32 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It

Wow...the msm has finally decided to pay serious attention to faith in America huh?

Flannery O'Connor wrote a great story about an athiest who starts "The Church Without Christ." That wouldn't even work as fiction today. Some crank does essentially the same thing, and he's the star of the LA Times.

Then again, my local rag plastered the "Religion" section with Davinci Hoax hype for weeks, so what else is new.


3 posted on 06/05/2006 10:35:36 PM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: right-wingin_It
God will not be mocked.


4 posted on 06/05/2006 10:35:52 PM PDT by kstewskis (Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting.)
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To: right-wingin_It
Yet it ordains female, married and openly gay priests, recognizes divorce, accepts birth control and premarital sex, blesses same-sex unions and, most important, rejects the authority of the pope.

They left out the part about him teaching people to live in accordance with THE TEN SUGGESTIONS.

5 posted on 06/05/2006 10:36:03 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Lynch Mob.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They left out the part about him teaching people to live in accordance with THE TEN SUGGESTIONS.

Now would that be the 10 planks of the DNC platform?? Oh yes..making more sense now!

6 posted on 06/05/2006 10:40:48 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It

"Cramped storefront quarters in a strip mall" ought to tip off even the most dense that this "Catholic" church is not kosher, so to speak......


7 posted on 06/05/2006 10:41:43 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: right-wingin_It

Being Catholic means being faithful to the Gospel and being part of the universal church. The word catholic is Greek for "universal."

These splinter groups are obviously not Catholic. I won't insult Protestants by calling them Protestant.

Wearing clerical vestments, burning candles and incense, etc. has little to do with being Catholic.


8 posted on 06/05/2006 10:43:31 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: right-wingin_It

I'm an evangelical Christian and probably should keep my nose out of RCC business, but it is very sad and disappointing to me to see Catholic churches and clerics going down the same road to politically correct ruin that so many mainline denomination Protestant churches have gone down over the last century. Hopefully that can still be nipped in the bud and turned around in the RCC by a firm hand of authority that was lacking in the Protestant denominations.


9 posted on 06/05/2006 10:50:15 PM PDT by epow (No tagline tonight, the tagline store closed before I could get there.)
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Agree with you completely. This is not a Catholic Church with a capital C.


10 posted on 06/05/2006 10:57:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: epow
...but it is very sad and disappointing to me to see Catholic churches and clerics going down the same road to politically correct ruin that so many mainline denomination Protestant churches have gone down over the last century...

Well, there are certainly a few that are doing that -- Certainly a few more than I can stand. Although, I think in the case of this article, the supposed "Bishop" here was never ordained at all by the Church. These are lay people claiming to be clergy, although the article makes it sound as if they have been properly ordained within the Church (thanks to some crafty wording learnt in best Journalism schools). *Sticking my finger down my throat*

12 posted on 06/05/2006 11:09:24 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It

The media aids these people since they share the same agenda, hurting Christianity and Catholocism in particular.

This is no different than the media taking the stance that the feminists who "ordained" themselves as priests were actually priests from that point on.

All of these people are pretenders of Catholicism in order to hurt the real thing.


13 posted on 06/05/2006 11:11:59 PM PDT by kenth
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To: right-wingin_It

This article is so dumb for the LA times to run

He calls himself a Bishop? Who ordained him? He doesnt have Apostolic Succession. It appear he is not even a break away Priest.

Anyone can go to a costume store and buy an outfit or order Priest vestments and play Priest/Bishop


14 posted on 06/05/2006 11:16:00 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: epow
Hopefully that can still be nipped in the bud and turned around in the RCC by a firm hand of authority that was lacking in the Protestant denominations.

I think the vision is a 'smaller and purer' church. Thankfully, it's helpful when the rotten fruit falls from the tree by itself, that is thes people leave to make something like the ECC, athough I disagree this their use of the word Catholic in the name of their organization..illegal perhaps??

You mentioned the path some of the Protestant denominations have taken. BTW...I think all the various groups of Christians (Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox) have contributed something positive to each other through history, despite any negatives. We should thank each other for that -- for the good stuff. It's about time to put aside the once seemingly large differences and come together, as believing Christians, to stand up to the true threats to our religion. (That's real Ecumenism as opposed to the crap these people in the article are claiming). I mean, do we have to wait until we're hiding out together in the caticones again?? It's getting late.

15 posted on 06/05/2006 11:25:59 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: epow
I'm an evangelical Christian and probably should keep my nose out of RCC business, but it is very sad and disappointing to me to see Catholic churches and clerics going down the same road to politically correct ruin that so many mainline denomination Protestant churches have gone down over the last century. Hopefully that can still be nipped in the bud and turned around in the RCC by a firm hand of authority that was lacking in the Protestant denominations.

I'm also an evangelical Christian and I'm frequently concerned / disgusted by this sort of thing. You don't have to be Catholic to know that the RCC is HUGE and provides the way for a great number of people. I think it should concern all of us when these reprobates (homosexers, feminist, and liberals in general) work to undermine the church. If they had their way they'd quickly render it meaningless and ineffective, leaving a billion people to question their faith.
16 posted on 06/06/2006 12:03:48 AM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: right-wingin_It

I've noted some other Evangelicals commenting here so I'll stick in my two cents. We have been asked to pray for Pope Benedict XVI to promote the gospel of the risen Christ. While we worship in very different ways our value systems of moral behavior are much alike. This group of "Catholics" is anathema to believing Christians.


17 posted on 06/06/2006 3:51:36 AM PDT by Upbeat
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To: Jaysun

I really appreciate your comments.


18 posted on 06/06/2006 4:48:13 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: right-wingin_It

I'm a Christian and this is one of the many reasons I don't belong to a 'church'.


19 posted on 06/06/2006 5:30:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: right-wingin_It
I mean, do we have to wait until we're hiding out together in the caticones again?? It's getting late.

We have our doctrinal disagreements of course, some them profound, but I don't believe any of us want to return to that tragic time and place where our respective spiritual forefathers apparently forgot that they worshiped the Prince of Peace and took up arms against one another. I have to believe that conflict was motivated as much or more by political issues as it was by spiritual issues.

More than once I have stood arm in arm with Catholic demonstrators in front of abortion mills and felt a solidarity of purpose and spiritual kinship that transcended our differences in doctrine and rites of worship. Hopefully we can agree to disagree on those differences and still put a solid front on our mutual opposition to the spiritual and secular humanist forces which are trying to take the US down the same road to institutionalized atheism that has created a spiritual vacuum in much of post-WWII western Europe. A vacuum that is being rapidly filled by the alien religion of Islam. Apart we are two minority groups within the US voting population, together we can be and should be be a force to be reckoned with politically.

20 posted on 06/06/2006 5:34:18 AM PDT by epow (No tagline tonight, the tagline store closed before I could get there.)
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