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To: siunevada

What you call 'godless leftist ideology' is the socialism
of Jesus and His true followers who held their possessions
in common.


69 posted on 07/25/2006 5:50:35 AM PDT by fruitarian108
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To: fruitarian108
What you call 'godless leftist ideology'

That would be someone else's comment. You can't tell the players without a scorecard.

71 posted on 07/25/2006 5:53:27 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: fruitarian108
What you call 'godless leftist ideology' is the socialism of Jesus and His true followers who held their possessions in common.

There is what appears to be socialism in the Acts of the Apostles. However, if you go by the Didache, that way of living was not mandated.

From The Didache:

And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and accursed: murders, adultery, lust, fornication, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rape, false witness, hypocrisy, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness; persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil; from whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing revenge, not pitying a poor man, not laboring for the afflicted, not knowing Him Who made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him who is in want, afflicting him who is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners. Be delivered, children, from all these.

72 posted on 07/25/2006 5:56:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: fruitarian108; Lilllabettt; Pyro7480; siunevada
To God all the creatures He created are sacred.  >>>

Yea right.   God gave us dominion over all animals and gave us all the animals to eat, try reading Genesis.

I have yet to see any church document that refers to vegetarianism.  If you notice, most liberal democrat Catholics who subscribe to this vegetarian, pantheistic lifestyle vote for left-wing, pro-abortion politicians and are themselves for abortion and do nothing for the unborn.  I see nothing in these documents that equate abortion and killing animals for food, clothing, etc.    What I see are a lot of hypocrites and phonies who are in a world of their own and are severely demented and misled.  They will do everything to save the turtle eggs, the spotted owl and the humpback whale and do nothing to save the murdering and slaughtering of God's image in the womb. 

Abortion was rejected in the earliest known Christian manual of discipline, the Didache.

The Catholic Church is a Pro-Life Church

No one but the Creator is the sovereign of basic human rights -- beginning with the right to life. We are daughters and sons of the one God who, outside and above us all, grants us the freedom, dignity and rights of personhood which no one else can take away.......  

......We cannot simultaneously commit ourselves to human rights and progress while eliminating or marginalizing the weakest among us. Nor can we practice the Gospel of life only as a private piety. American Catholics must live it vigorously and publicly, as a matter of national leadership and witness, or we will not live it at all..... 

.....Direct abortion is never a morally tolerable option. It is always a grave act of violence against a woman and her unborn child. This is so even when a woman does not see the truth because of the pressures she may be subjected to, often by the child's father, her parents or friends. Similarly, euthanasia and assisted suicide are never acceptable acts of mercy. They always gravely exploit the suffering and desperate, extinguishing life in the name of the "quality of life" itself. This same teaching against direct killing of the innocent condemns all direct attacks on innocent civilians in time of war.....

..We urge those Catholic officials who choose to depart from Church teaching on the inviolability of human life in their public life to consider the consequences for their own spiritual well being, as well as the scandal they risk by leading others into serious sin......"Living the Gospel of Life" USCCB

"The inviolability of the person, which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, finds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights -- for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture -- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition of all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination . . . The human being is entitled to such rights in every phase of development, from conception until natural death, whether healthy or sick, whole or handicapped, rich or poor . . . [Moreover, if,] indeed, everyone has the mission and responsibility of acknowledging the personal dignity of every human being and of defending the right to life, some lay faithful are given particular title to this task: such as parents, teachers, health workers and the many who hold economic and political power"  Pope John Paul II in The Vocation and the Mission of the Lay Faithful in the Church and in the World (Christifideles Laici)

The following is from Pope John Paul II.

Rerum novarum criticizes two social and economic systems: socialism and liberalism. The opening section, in which the right to private property is reaffirmed, is devoted to socialism.

Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property. A person who is deprived of something he can call "his own", and of the possibility of earning a living through his own initiative, comes to depend on the social machine and on those who control it. This makes it much more difficult for him to recognize his dignity as a person, and hinders progress towards the building up of an authentic human community.

78 posted on 07/25/2006 6:16:23 PM PDT by Coleus (I love all of God's creatures, they taste delicious)
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