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Bar-coded babies and tons of doughnuts--Evangelical Megachurches [guess which Saddleback does?]
Watching the Watchers ^ | Dec 16, 2006 | Lee Russ

Posted on 12/16/2006 7:08:20 PM PST by Alex Murphy

As a sidebar to a story on the religious right, The Independent newspaper from the United Kingdom offers a brief review of some of the incredibly large Evangelical churches that are at the forefront of the movement:

Radiant Church Surprise, Arizona; members: 6,000

Radiant spends $16,000 annually on Krispy Kreme donuts. Pastor McFarland told the New York Times: ''We want the church to look like a mall, so you come in and say, 'Dude, where's the cinema?'
Brentwood Baptist Church Houston, Texas; members: 12,000
Has its own McDonald's, complete with golden arches and a drive-thru.
Saddleback Church Lake Forest, California; members: 22,000
Pastor Rick Warren wrote the best-selling non-fiction book in the US's history: The Purpose Driven Life. Bar codes are assigned to babies in the nursery to avoid losing them.
The Potter's House Dallas, Texas; members: 28,000
Led by the influential African-American pastor, TD Jakes, it has its own publishing house, daily talk show, a prison ministry that broadcasts to over 260 prisons, and a recording studio that has produced a Grammy-award-winning record.
Lakewood Church Houston, Texas; members: 30,000
The largest megachurch in the US. Joel Osteen's church meets in the former home of the Houston Rockets and has already outgrown the arena. Plans have been discussed to "franchise" the church in other cities.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: barcodedbabies; christianitylite; evangelical; jakes; megachurch; osteen; popchristianity; warren
Saddleback Church ... Bar codes are assigned to babies in the nursery to avoid losing them.

That has GOT to make some pretribbers go nuts....

1 posted on 12/16/2006 7:08:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Bar codes are old hat. RFID is the new "Mark of the Beast". Speaking of MotB - anyone familiar with Ellis Skolfield?


2 posted on 12/16/2006 7:16:40 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was looking for a picture of a bar coded baby and I found this instead. LOL

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/666.html

Now excuse me while I go inventory supplies in the bunker.


3 posted on 12/16/2006 7:30:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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4 posted on 12/16/2006 7:34:17 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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That bar code doesn't show the 3 sixes on it. Come to think of it, neither does this Pepsi bottle in my hand.


5 posted on 12/16/2006 7:36:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thought for sure this must be a joke, but no flashing lights, no Benny Hinn big hair pictures. That must mean....

Do any of these congregations have any, what-cha-callit, "gravity"? Dignity, the "chobod" thing?

6 posted on 12/16/2006 7:42:10 PM PST by Lee N. Field
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To: Alex Murphy

Are the donuts for the celebration of the Lords' supper?


7 posted on 12/16/2006 7:45:43 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Alex Murphy
"That has GOT to make some pretribbers go nuts...."

Depends on if they get in in the hand or forehead.
8 posted on 12/16/2006 7:54:14 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Alex Murphy

my church has a cafe and coffee shop and a town square that has a mall feel to it as well. I thought it was cool at first but seeing they have struggled to find place for the children to go all i see how of those secular areas is waisted space!


9 posted on 12/16/2006 8:15:19 PM PST by Halls (God, please grant me the serenity to accept what I can not change....)
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Thousands of dollars in donuts, McDonalds, a mall appearance.....
It doesn't say much for those so called churches.

Church is the Word, Holy Communion,liturgy and good 16th -17th Century hymns.

If you go to church to be entertained, food, and convenience it doesn't say much about a person's spirituality and religion


10 posted on 12/16/2006 8:32:18 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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That has GOT to make some pretribbers go nuts....

One of the church Mgmt Software companies does have a module that has barcode reader integration, so that for instance, you could swipe a card in order to track donations. A church that is a local client has stayed away from it for precisely the reason that members do not feel comfortable being "tracked".

11 posted on 12/16/2006 8:44:28 PM PST by ikka
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Oh it's just some media idiot being.........well, an idiot. There are software packages galore that kick out 'tags' for kids, volunteers, etc.....that have names, barcodes, etc. It's a simply administrative/tracking tool that somehow becomes 'nefarious' in the hands of Christian bashers.

Lighten up.


12 posted on 12/16/2006 10:21:12 PM PST by RightOnline (an)
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Oh it's just some media idiot being.........well, an idiot. There are software packages galore that kick out 'tags' for kids, volunteers, etc.....that have names, barcodes, etc. It's a simply administrative/tracking tool that somehow becomes 'nefarious' in the hands of Christian bashers.

Lighten up.


My Church uses a little pager, like the one you get at restaurants, to let people know if something is wrong with their kids / their acting up after you've dropped them off at the nursery. So what? Who came up with the idea that God wanted dirt floored huts for churches? Certainly not him. Read what he required for the tent of meeting, the arch of the covenant, and suchlike. It was the best of the best. God is the best of the best.
13 posted on 12/16/2006 11:24:10 PM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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"That has GOT to make some pretribbers go nuts...."

I would have thought that pretribbers would be the ones who this stuff wouldn't bother. The pretribber would believe he (the saved and those under the age of accountability) would be 'taken up' before the Anti-Christ and his mark.

Those who belive in mid or post trib I would think would be going nuts since they believe the Church will experience the wrath and persecution of the Anti-Christ, and in the case of the post tribber, God's wrath also.

14 posted on 12/17/2006 4:02:27 AM PST by uptoolate
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