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To: kerryusama04
Why is verse 13 there if they all died? What Paul is saying is that Enoch did not die, but these other dudes did.

No, Paul said they ALL died. Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Isn't it interesting that Elijah, the most popular prophet in the OT, isn't in that list at all?

Not really. The point of the role call of the faithful is to highlight examples of people who had great faith in the promise of eternal life, but didn't receive it.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, did not receive the promise,
Heb 11:40 for God had provided some better thing for us, that they should not be made perfect without us.

The last verse affirms that Enoch was not "made perfect". He sleeps in the grave, awaiting the resurrection, when all of God's saints will be made perfect, complete.

Yes, it is appointed for all men to die once, but that can't possibly mean that all have to die once, does it? Because the people in this verse won't ever die, just like Elijah and Enoch:

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Certainly our physical selfs will cease to exist. What form this takes is unknown. I tend to think of this event as the complete destruction of our physical bodies and nearly instantaneously the creation of our glorified bodies. Either way our physical lives "end", we die.

12 posted on 02/21/2007 9:56:28 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Certainly our physical selfs will cease to exist. What form this takes is unknown. I tend to think of this event as the complete destruction of our physical bodies and nearly instantaneously the creation of our glorified bodies. Either way our physical lives "end", we die.

No, Doug, they aren't going to die. I don't buy the whole "spirit body" thing, either. When Jesus was resurrected, he actually had the same body that was crucified. The resurrection in Ezekiel 37 is a physical resurrection as well. When we get resurrected, it will be bone to bone, sinew to sinew - a real resurrection.

15 posted on 02/21/2007 10:32:24 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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