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To: DouglasKC; XeniaSt
That makes no sense.

I agree that makes no sense if your presuppositions are pushing you in a different direction.

In the first place Paul wasn't decrying the Lord's holy days. … This is because whatever Paul was addressing in Galatians 2 had specific, identifying elements:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Let’s not back up to verse 8 and miss the immediate context.

“16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

Any unbiased reader would reasonably conclude Paul was speaking of the old covenant festival days, new moon celebrations, and annual sabbaths, etc.

They are not "traditions of men", but holy days created by the God of the universe.

Sorry to confuse you. By “traditions of men” I mean the traditions that are practiced today without any warrant from the Word of God. The fact remains that God’s has nowhere commanded modern day messianics to observe “feast days” apart from the temple and the priesthood and the land. They way you do things today are “traditions” since you have obviously ignored the “jots and tittles” of Moses’ commandments and replaced them with practices of convenience. (E.g., where does God in His Word allow uncircumcised gentiles into the Passover? Or perhaps your group does not celebrate the “passover” with gentiles present.)

Do you think he was lying, or just stupid?

Neither. I just think you do not thoroughly understand Paul and his zeal to tear down the middle wall of partition and the racial barriers that divided Jews and gentiles.

19 posted on 09/10/2007 8:58:23 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54
Sorry to confuse you. By “traditions of men” I mean the traditions that are practiced today without any warrant from the Word of God. The fact remains that God’s has nowhere commanded modern day messianics to observe “feast days” apart from the temple and the priesthood and the land. They way you do things today are “traditions” since you have obviously ignored the “jots and tittles” of Moses’ commandments and replaced them with practices of convenience. (E.g., where does God in His Word allow uncircumcised gentiles into the Passover? Or perhaps your group does not celebrate the “passover” with gentiles present.)

You didn't address my points.

These are the hallmarks of what Paul was addressing in Colossians:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Lord's holy days are NOT philosophy, but scriptural commands of the Lord. The only scripture Paul had was the "old" testament.

They are not "traditions of men", but holy days created by the God of the universe.

They are NOT "rudiments of the world", but holy objects of the divine.

So you're supposition is that Paul was telling Christians NOT to observe the Lord's holy days. He was telling them that observing them was "traditions of men", "rudiments of the world", "vain deceit".

Was his audience stupid??? Weren't you just saying that during Paul's day that the holy days were still a shadow of things to come? That they weren't YET faded away, but would be in 70 AD? If that's so then they weren't celebrating "ersatz" holy days, but Christ created, Christ ordained, scriptural holy days and not "traditions of men", "rudiments of the world", "vain deceit".

22 posted on 09/10/2007 9:25:02 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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