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To: Das Outsider; Salvation; AlbionGirl; NYer; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; kosta50

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3 posted on 10/22/2007 4:04:30 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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ELCA Lutherans, pay close attention to this paragraph, especially if your congregation is contemplating purchasing ELW:

The ELW psalter is at the heart of dissatisfaction with the book. The BCP/LBW version has been rewritten, expurgated, one may say, to avoid calling God by masculine pronouns. The principal way this is accomplished is to turn all the psalms into second-person address, “you” instead of “he.” This has been variously defended as the objections came in. It was said that many people had wanted to pray the psalms and this new form facilitated that by making them prayers, ignoring the long tradition beginning in Judaism of praying the psalms in the existing biblical form. It was then said that the new form facilitated singing, ignoring the Anglican practice of choral evensong and the principal glory of the Anglican church, Anglican chant. The Leaders Edition attempts to diffuse the continuing objections by noting that “[t]he 150 psalms presented here use a version intended for common sung prayer and proclamation, rather than a translation for study.” When one who cares about study and scholarship is referred elsewhere, one becomes suspicious of the product. Should the church use in its liturgy something that does not stand up to scholarly examination?

4 posted on 10/22/2007 4:12:39 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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Hi L,

As always, thanks for the ping. I don't have anything of substance to add, but I don't want to let this opportunity pass without passing along some good news.

Here in Rochester there is a Lutheran church downtown. It's ECLA and healthy, i.e. right thinking, from what I can observe. The priest is an energetic man and the vitality of the congregation is palpable. During the winter months they have a liturgy in German.

There is hope, L, so do fight the good fight, but don't lose hope. With Jesus all things are possible, and sometimes when I pray I recognize the paltry quality of my faith by the absence of joy and true reliance.

Remember, a revolution often makes the most noise just before it expires.

14 posted on 10/23/2007 10:30:25 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: lightman

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 10/26/2007 9:45:02 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("To hell with the evils of abortion and abortionists!!" -- Jim Robinson)
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The two projects did not simply go their own separate ways. There is abundant evidence that the LCMS project did not avert its eyes from the parallel work of the ELCA. And yet the result is two very different books, much farther apart than were their predecessors, Lutheran Worship (LW) and the Lutheran Book of Worship (LBW). That divergence is a great and depressing tragedy for any sense of the church and its unity that had been struggling to emerge with the cooperative work on the LBW.

Do ELCA Lutherans support the LBW?

Perhaps I'm biased, but the old Christian Worship is far better than both the new ELCA and LCMS hymnals.
16 posted on 10/26/2007 9:52:10 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("To hell with the evils of abortion and abortionists!!" -- Jim Robinson)
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