Ellen G. White Rebuked Adventist Leaders for Not Thinking for Themselves

The Review and Herald ^ | April 6, 1886 | Ellen G. White

[e.Shubee]

"Do your own work.—The subjects which many of our ministers present before the people are not half as connected and as clear and strong in argument as they should be. They profess to be teachers of the Word, but they sadly neglect to search the Scriptures for themselves. They are content to use the arguments which are prepared in pamphlets and books, and which others have labored earnestly to search out; but they are not willing to tax their minds to study them out for themselves. In order to make full proof of their ministry, those who open the Word of God to others should search the Scriptures diligently. They should not be content to use other men's thoughts, but should dig for truth as for hid treasures. While it is perfectly right to gather ideas from other minds, they should not be satisfied to take those ideas and repeat them in a poll-parrot manner. Make these ideas your own, brethren; frame the arguments yourselves, from your own study and research. Do not borrow the productions of other men's brains and pens, and recite them as a lesson; but make the most of the talents, the brain power, that God has given you." —The Review and Herald, April 6, 1886.

[e.Shubee]

That doesn't sound like Ellen G. White was a cult leader to me.

For a list of the cultic factions in the Seventh-day Adventist church, see The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism.

[big'ol_freeper]

Loonie yes. Cult leader. No. If you do translate her name into latin though, it equals the number 666.

[e.Shubee]

Hi big’ol_freeper,

I might have said a few loony things in my life but not in science. Ellen White was a religious writer. What’s the looniest belief that she claimed is taught in the Bible?

[big'ol_freeper]

Try this one.

[festus]

www.ellenwhiteexposed.com

It seems that all the moonbat groups are coming out tonite.

[e.Shubee]

Your link does point to a false belief but Ellen White never taught that “Vicarius Filii Dei” is a reference to 666. Consequently, it’s wrong to say that Ellen White was loony for what she never taught.

[big'ol_freeper]

Wrong. She was loony for her hatred and bigotry toward Catholics and for perpetrating false witness against the same.

[festus]

Here's a dandy from the plagiarized works of Ellen White.

"Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men." Spiritual Gifts Vol 3. Page 75.

Ask an adventist which races are the ones that are the result of men breeding with animals.

[festus]

Here’s more gems..............

Slaves who are dumb are beyond the reach of Christ according to this Prophetess :

“God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master’s lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes” (Early Writings, p. 276).

She was told in vision the day and hour of Christs return : “As God has shown me in holy vision ... we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming” (Early Writings, pp. 15, 34, 285).”

Next time you get a cold repent immediately for your sins....

“It is a sin to be sick; for all sickness is the result of transgression. Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866”

Better not catch a cold or what Adventists believe to be a prophet will condemn you.

Also she discouraged marriage as the end was near :

“In this age of the world, as the scenes of earth’s history are soon to close and we are about to enter upon the time of trouble such as never was, the fewer the marriages contracted, the better for all, both men and women.” 5 Testimonies, p. 366.”

By the way she taught you should not have sex with your wife to much or you’ll die young plus its sinful.

When a missionary couple had children, Mrs. White blasted them:

“I was shown that Brother and Sister Van Horn had departed from God’s counsel in bringing into the world children. God required all there was of them in His work and both could have done a good work for the Master, but the enemy came in and his counsel was followed, and the cause of God was robbed of the attention it should have had... The time has come when, in one sense, they that have wives be as though they had none.”15

In another letter she wrote of another missionary couple:

“How much better would have been the influence of both if they had not married, but both have devoted their interests to God’s cause; and after they were married, how much better for them to have thoroughly considered the situation and decided that God should have all the powers He had given them in the work of saving souls.”16

Mrs. White, convinced of the immediate return of Christ, warned that children would soon be taken from their parents by death. Apparently, this is yet another reason not to engage in marital relations:

“Parents give but little attention to them, and in the near future they will be removed by death. Woe unto them that be with child, and give suck in these days, and if our workers were walking close with God, they would feel that it is no matter of rejoicing to bring a child into the world. A blessing is pronounced upon the eunuchs who keep the Lord’s Sabbath.”17

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15. Ellen White, MS 34, 1885.

16. Ellen White, letter written from Europe in 1888, as quoted in “Counsels Regarding Parenthood” (DF 360A), a document produced by the Ellen G. White Estate.

17. Ibid.

This stuff goes on for ever. She stole her first vision and never stopped and generally was wrong on most things.

The Adventists will spin and twist better than a Clintonite to get out of this but its all documented.

[big'ol_freeper]

Imagine having your particular brand of Christianity based on the writings of that wacko.

[big'ol_freeper]

ping

[festus]

I don’t have to imagine it I was brung up in it.

Most my kin still follow it and all this sort of stuff don’t bother em none. They got an answer for all of it.

[investigateworld]

She must have been one hellofa preacher. According to legend, following a lynching in a mining town, she showed up in a private train and really shamed the locals. Following her preaching, (again, according to local legend) those old boys felt so bad and sinful, they burnt down a cat house and saloon.

Ah the glories of the "Old West".

[narses]

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[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Your link does point to a false belief but Ellen White never taught that “Vicarius Filii Dei” is a reference to 666. ***

Yet several of my SDA books do teach this. One also teaches that the “MARK OF THE BEAST” in Revelation is worshiping on Sunday.

[e.Shubee]

First you said that Ellen White was loony for teaching that “Vicarius Filii Dei” is a reference to 666. But you were totally mistaken about that. So maybe you are also wrong about the charge of hatred, bigotry and false witness toward Catholics.

[e.Shubee]

If that allegation were true, shouldn’t it have appeared in Ellen White’s day? I think you’re expecting too much from a 19th century religious writer that only had a third grade formal education. I interpret that isolated sentence you mentioned as saying the “amalgamation of man and [the amalgamation of] beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.”

[festus]

If that allegation were true, shouldn’t it have appeared in Ellen White’s day?

Ah but it did laddie.

Ellen White's statement provoked instant controversy and stinging criticism of her in the 1860s forced church leaders to attempt to defend their prophet. In 1868, four years after the amalgamation statements first appeared in print, Adventist leader Uriah Smith5 published his defense of Ellen White. In that book he conjectured that the union of man with beast had created "such cases as the wild Bushmen of Africa, some tribes of the Hottentots, and perhaps the Digger Indians of our own country".6

James White "carefully" reviewed Smith's book prior to its publication, and then recommended it in glowing terms to the readers of the church's official magazine, the Review and Herald:

"The Association has just published a pamphlet entitled, 'The Visions of Mrs. E.G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual Gifts According to the Scriptures.' It is written by the editor of the Review. While carefully reading the manuscript, I felt grateful to God that our people could have this able defense of those views they so much love and prize, which others despise and oppose."7

As noted, the prophet's husband carefully read Smith's book. It is inconceivable that the statements about the Bushmen of Africa passed by James White without notice. His endorsement of the book indicates his implicit approval of the explanation. In fact, because it supposedly established Mrs. White's claims, James and Ellen took 2,000 copies of Smith's book with them to peddle at camp meetings that year!8 By promoting and selling Smith's book the Whites placed their stamp of approval on his explanation of the amalgamation statement.

All I am doing is quoting the "prophetess" own writings and those of other patriarchs of the church.

It does cause problems for the Adventists which is why the try to prevent anyone from pointing this out.

[festus]

Indeed you are correct ....

In 1847 Ellen White wrote:

“I saw that the number (666) of the image beast was made up; and that it was the beast that changed the Sabbath and the image beast followed on after and kept the Pope’s, and not God’s Sabbath. And all we were required to do, was to give up God’s Sabbath and keep the Pope’s and then we should have the mark of the beast and of his image.” Ellen G. White, A Word to the Little Flock, p. 19 (1847).

The ability of Adventists to spin and twist things makes the Clinton’s look like mere amateurs.

You have to wonder why, if they believe something, they don’t admit it publicly ?

The reason is it makes it to hard to get recruits. Which is why they usually hold there large “evangelistic” meetings or recruitment meetings at a local convention center the first few weeks and don’t put their name on the invites or the meeting literature. Then they move you over to a church later for the next few but usually remove all church literature from the auditorium and put a big banner over the church sign etc.

Then eventually with a carefully scripted presentation they get you signed up and back you in.

[festus]

You might be interested in the last couple.