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To: vladimir998; Wife of D; AnalogReigns
You forget your lies which is the problem with being a liar. Your Obfuscation fails you. I mentioned Sts. Cyril and Methodius in the context of showing the eastern origins of Moravian Christianity. I also posted from 2 non-Orthodox Christian sources - The Moravian Protestant Church's web site and an Anglican web site that refute your false charge that the Moravians do not have Orthodox Christian roots and that any claim that they did was started by the newly formed Czech Orthodox Church as a claim to legitimacy. This is the false charge of yours I refuted from your statement at post # 30 where you wrote: Neither the Moravians, nor the Hussites nor Herrnhuter had Orthodox roots. That is a relatively recent revisionist idea put forward by some Orthodox - especially the Czech Orthodox Church which is deperately trying to create a history since it practically lacks one. Unless you will now claim the American Moravians and the Anglicans are in cahoots with the Czech Orthodox.
75 posted on 08/13/2009 1:38:14 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777

You wrote:

“You forget your lies which is the problem with being a liar.”

I never lied. And calling someone here is a good way to get in trouble. I suggest you prove your claims rather than just make them.

“Your Obfuscation fails you.”

(sigh) Obfuscation?

In post 51, you wrote: “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

So you started off with

1) posting an unsubstantiated claim
2) then called it a plausible scenario when you could find no evidence at all for it
3) then denied you posted the claim in the first place and claimed it belonged to the sect in question
4) then said it is a “supposition based on the fact”
5) now it “was a re-wording of the statement the Moravians themselves make”
6) and now you’re claiming I am indulging in Obfuscation?

“I mentioned Sts. Cyril and Methodius in the context of showing the eastern origins of Moravian Christianity.”

What you did was post this: “In post 51, you wrote: “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

And then you denied posting that. And so on. And so on.

“I also posted from 2 non-Orthodox Christian sources - The Moravian Protestant Church’s web site and an Anglican web site that refute your false charge that the Moravians do not have Orthodox Christian roots and that any claim that they did was started by the newly formed Czech Orthodox Church as a claim to legitimacy.”

1) You are conflating many things into one. Perhaps you are desperate.
2) I pointed out the missionaries to Moravians - both Sts. Cyril and Methodious (and the ones there before them) were Catholics.
3) They were not Orthodox Church members because no such Church existed. This was BEFORE 1054.
4) Their missionary efforts were approved of by the pope.

Those are the facts. Thus, the medieval Moravians have no Orthodox roots, but Catholic ones. The modern Moravians - and that’s called the Moravian Church - have EXACTLY zero Eastern or Orthodox roots. Irrefutable.

“This is the false charge of yours I refuted from your statement at post # 30 where you wrote: Neither the Moravians, nor the Hussites nor Herrnhuter had Orthodox roots. That is a relatively recent revisionist idea put forward by some Orthodox - especially the Czech Orthodox Church which is deperately trying to create a history since it practically lacks one.”

And that statement is absolutely true. Neither the Moravian Church, nor the Hussites nor the Herrnhuter have and Orthodox roots. Zero. The first missionaries were Catholics. The second missionaries were Catholic. The Hussites were an indigenous heretical and schismatic group with only Catholic roots and the Moravian Church came even later in the 18th century. All true. All irrefutable. End of story.

“Unless you will now claim the American Moravians and the Anglicans are in cahoots with the Czech Orthodox.”

Nope. Just none of those groups proved this statement: “In post 51, you wrote: “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.” You cited several things and none of them actually made the claim that you made...and then denied...and then claimed someone else made...but really you deduced it from someone else...etc., etc., etc.


77 posted on 08/13/2009 1:56:01 PM PDT by vladimir998
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