[ChiefJayStrongbow]

They should allow priests to marry. Also, don’t transfer predators from parish to parish ... kick them out of the priesthood and send them to jail.

[blackpacific]

It is important to know who did this to us. It was not Celibacy. It was homosexual priests hired by the enemies within to destroy the Church from within. Hans Kueng was a member of that elite, a destroying angel who also echoes “Non Serviam” in the twilight of his life. The victims were teenage boys, the villains were homosexuals.

The only reason “Catholic” is associated with this scandal is because it was targeted for destruction. They did a pretty good job, but the Holy Spirit operates on much longer time constants.

[Antoninus]

They should allow priests to marry. Also, don’t transfer predators from parish to parish ... kick them out of the priesthood and send them to jail.

Thanks for the advice. Now, tell me what sect you belong to so I can offer you inane advice on how it should be run.

[AnAmericanMother]

It's odd how so many FReepers -- who ordinarily take everything the media says with a grain of salt -- swallow the media's ongoing campaign against the Church without blinking.

There are so many assumptions in your brief response that it's hard to cover them all.

The idea that allowing priests to marry would somehow "cure" homosexuals from predating on young teens not only ignores the fact that these dopes aren't interested in women, it ignores the fact that homosexual predation occurs with even great frequency among those as to whom no celibacy requirement exists (protestant ministers, school teachers, coaches, etc.) But the media ignores those stories, because they have an agenda to pursue.

As for 'kicking out of the priesthood' -- that won't work either. The guy in California requested laicization (i.e. permissive and not mandatory release from his clerical vows) and later got married . . . and kept on molesting children. Of course, by then the Church had no power over him because he'd been laicized . . .

Additionally, the Church has no authority to send anybody to jail. In the cases that are being trumpeted by the New York Times, the secular authorities declined to prosecute or gave a slap on the wrist (probation). But nobody is screaming that the secular authorities fell down on the job. Because that doesn't fit the media's story.

Finally, you may have noticed that these cases are 30 years old or more. The Church has undertaken strenuous efforts to weed these bad guys out and remove them from contact with the laity. In fact, Benedict XVI was instrumental in streamlining the process and taking direct jurisdiction to Rome for the first time in abuse cases. Yet the media attacks him as though he "didn't do enough". Sound familiar? (Pius XII comes to mind.)

But for many years the local bishop had authority over these cases. Rome was not involved. But the media don't want to bash the local bishop in at least one of these cases because he is a self-confessed homosexual who was caught paying $400 grand to his lover to buy his silence. But the media love that bishop because he is also a modernist, heterodox, and extremely liberal. And they certainly don't want to explore the fact that he appears to have been hiding abuse by other homosexuals . . . the media would much rather bash the Pope, who had nothing to do with the case and only found out about it some 25 years after the events in question, when the abusive priest was critically ill (and indeed died while his ecclesiastical trial was pending). But the media never even talked the the bishop who was the judge at the trial. (Imagine that!)

Consider that the Church is the last large, organized body that opposes abortion, homosexual rights including to 'marry' and adopt children, sexual promiscuity, etc. And consider that all those things are the darling causes of the media. And then consider whether the media might have a motive to lie, distort the facts, and rabble-rouse against the Church and the Pope . . . . ?

[Jackson57]

Please share with us your research that points to allowing priests to marry with lowering the incidence of abuse. Then please explain how there are married teachers abusing children in our public schools and how that relates to priests. Thanks in advance.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Are you a Catholic?

[Mrs. Don-o]

The crises in the Catholic Church come down to four deadly words: "Good doctrine, bad discipline."

Here's how it worked in practice:

Ordination of active homosexual males has always been forbidden in the Catholicism: as doctrine, this considered definitive and unchangeable (Link). But liberal doctrinal dissidents (like Hans Kung), weak bishops, subversive seminary rectors and admissions officers for years ignored or quietly sabotaged the practice of Catholic faith and morals.

The background? Try Michael Rose's book, "Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption Into the Catholic Church" (Link)

The result? It's all over the papers.

The solution? It’s also summarized in four words” “To restore Catholic discipline.” Or even in three: “Become more Catholic.”

The bishops who transferred offenders around in the 1970’s and ‘80’s are now mostly retired or dead and gone, and during the “Ratzinger years” --- when Joseph Ratzinger was had of the Church’s doctrine office (CDF), or, as Benedict, Pope--- sexual abuse dropped dramatically. This chart from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice (Link) shows how reported abuse in the U.S has plunged:

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The overall statistics support George Weigel’s observation in Newsweek (Link) that the Catholic Church is one of the safest places in the United States for children and young people.