Posted on 06/04/2010 12:25:32 PM PDT by marshmallow
On May 27, Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe tried to set a political persecution in motion by "outing" several completely innocent people: "Mr. Speaker, Ottawa's bishop stated yesterday that a sizeable pro-life caucus is working behind the scenes within the government. The Prime Minister, who controls everything, must know about this caucus." With McCarthyite melodrama, Mr. Duceppe then intoned the names and positions in the Conservative party of three practising Catholics, as if that were proof of the ominous "caucus."
These Catholics are all members of Opus Dei, a prelature of the Catholic Church. In Latin, Opus Dei means "God's Work." Members of "the Work" believe that holiness is something to be strived for in one's daily life: in one's job, however important or however humble; in one's friendships; and in one's family life and civic obligations.
Opus Dei does good works all over the planet, punching far above its demographic weight. Few in number--about 85,000 worldwide and only a few thousand in all of Canada -- they are immersed in public life in the most positive and benign ways. And of the more than 100,000 members of the Conservative party, why yes, a handful probably are also members of Opus Dei.
But the back story to Mr. Duceppe's naming (and by implication shaming) of these three people is not his apparently high-minded upholding of the division of church and state. It is his loathing for the Catholic Church, a loathing he is at small pains to conceal. In this he is representative of the media and political elites that dominate Quebec's public discourse. And that is the real story here.
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A three-fer!! Triply guilty!!
Obviously the albino assassins couldn’t get to this guy before he pierced the shadowy conspiracy and spilled the beans.
Freegards
Like the cold Canadian air in November, I think this bitterly anti-religious climate will eventually make its way south.
The thing about brisk weather is that it really wakes people up...
What is Duceppe’s FR name?
That Canada should be so blessed!
I carefully read Opus Dei position on creation of the earth and found it to be evolution is position; and I also read Opus Dei on salvation which has its position on works for salvation; and I know that the catholic “church” teaches purgatory as destination for all who die with no mortal sins; reading the Catholic saints on purgatory demonstrates that it’s just another name for hell, for Christ Jesus spoke about the pains and torments of fire. Therefore, if Opus Dei wishes to dabble in government, of which all governments are anti-Christian, then it should be no surprise to them that some in higher political powers will try to discredit them or attempt to have Opus Dei removed... Christ Jesus our Savior never, never called upon anyone to enlist in government work in order to save people. Salvation is of Christ alone, not through goverment which one day will usher in the One World Government of the Anti-Christ the Adversary (Satan).
The father of Quebec nationalism was actually a Catholic priest, Lionel Groulx.
Actually, much of Leftism since WWII has been mystical, nineteenth century German romantic nationalism.
DUH!!! They're Catholic!
Nothing to add on the subject of left wing Quebecois nationalism, then?
Already here, but you get any New Atheist in private and they will tell you they are tired of breaking themselves against the Rock that is St. Peter.
That's a fair statement. However there is one government that is decidedly pro-Christian...
Can you tell me from where you read these Opus Dei positions?
A website, maybe? Or a book?
Thanks.
I think you are mistaken. A member of Opus Dei can belong to any organization that you or I could belong to, as long as it isn't sinful. Actually they could even belong to that, though they would be going against their vows.
It isn't the organization that is dabbling in governemnt, as you state, but individuals that have every right to.
Actually, as I reread your statement, I disagree with everything that you have to say. You have a closed mind and I won't waste anymore of my finger muscles!
I think you are mistaken. A member of Opus Dei can belong to any organization that you or I could belong to, as long as it isn't sinful. Actually they could even belong to that, though they would be going against their vows.
It isn't the organization that is dabbling in governemnt, as you state, but individuals that have every right to.
Actually, as I reread your statement, I disagree with everything that you have to say. You have a closed mind and I won't waste anymore of my finger muscles!
I think you are mistaken. A member of Opus Dei can belong to any organization that you or I could belong to, as long as it isn't sinful. Actually they could even belong to that, though they would be going against their vows.
It isn't the organization that is dabbling in governemnt, as you state, but individuals that have every right to.
Actually, as I reread your statement, I disagree with everything that you have to say. You have a closed mind and I won't waste anymore of my finger muscles!
Opus Dei has no position on that issue other than that of the Catholic Church.
Opus Dei on salvation
No "position" on that issue, either, other than that of the Catholic Church.
has its position on works for salvation
Ephesians 2:9-10 and Galatians 5:6 say pretty much everything that needs to be said on that topic.
reading the Catholic saints on purgatory demonstrates that it’s just another name for hell
Sorry, it's not. And I would point out that the mystical experiences and insights of saints are not determinative of Catholic doctrine. They are private revelations, which are binding only on those who receive them. (That's not to say they can't be profitably considered, however.)
Christ Jesus our Savior never, never called upon anyone to enlist in government work in order to save people. Salvation is of Christ alone, not through goverment
Well, we agree there at least.
Saving people is what Christ does through his church. Government can, however, make it easier for people to go to hell, or heaven. Most governments today are doing everything in their power to keep hell crowded.
Not only are you seriously mistaken, but you’re downright confused.
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