Is this a strange thread.....or what? ....
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
The one where she taught us about the 10 Commandments which includes that damnable little line about "Thou shalt not lie". You may have heard of it.
Or was it someone else or something else that infected with such an attitude/spirit?
Thou shalt not tell lies.
From you, I’ll wear “scuzzbag” with pride.
No doubt. It'd suit you. Any other tags that I might send your way for sticking up for the absolutely unforgiveable?
I marvel at this, but one of the graces God gave me early was an admiration for Socrates, ans when I first read (I must have been, at the oldest, nine years old) that he said, "The only think I know is that I don't know anything," if the gesture had been current, I would have punched the air. That was EXACTLY my perception.
I suppose the flaw in that is that I am often too slow to act. But I recognize that the virtue in it is that I TRY to check, and to understand the limits to my certainty.
So, I have other faults and have committed other sins. God may have protected me, so far, with a strong sense that when I think I have the enemy absolutely sewn up, I'd sure as shootin' better check my work. "If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't true," is not so much a maxim as an automatic reaction for me.
But I know that people like rnmomof7 have virtues that I can only dream of. Mom of SEVEN? I'd be in jail now! Or in the nut house.
So, forgive me such blindness as I may be unaware of, RN, but it sure looks like you messed up.
Like I never did. Yeah, right.
I would say forgiveness is one thing, it's appropriation and enjoyment is another. The forgiveness is there, like Niagara Falls. It is complete for the recipient when s/he sticks her little cup in the torrent, fills it, and drinks.
That's how it seems to me. I rejoice in the wonder of the torrent! What a noise! What a thunder! What almost incalculable water passes by!
Beats me. You'd have to ask the pagans.
I’m defending an authentic Chrisitan woman of a good heart.
I have never knowingly defended untruths nor lies hereon.
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PLEASE Continue your raging excesses. It helps folks understand the priorities you operate out of.
Nope. I want my pound of flesh.
You’re joking right? Have a lovely evening.
Izzat so? Prove it. I can prove otherwise.
I have never knowingly defended untruths nor lies hereon.
You're doing it here. So either step up or back off. And we shall see what stepping up means.
Look at us Catholics and them other guys as suspicious allies in a bigger war against a more perilous enemy.
If one of them is wounded, YEAH, especially since the sign of the woundedness is that he starts shooting at us, well, one might get a tad tetchy about that.
But, as I like to say, "The mission is everything!" (In the strength of that I have made the most hideously embarrassing confessions. It hurts, but I have to get back into the fight the best I can!)
So, angry as we might be, what the war needs is that we bandage up our reluctant ally, and do what we can to make him well so that we can continue to kick Satanic butt.
When the enemy is defeated, then we can go smack him up 'side the haid. But somehow I think when the enemy is defeated, we won't feel the need so much.
That's how it seems to me.
Thank you for your prayers. This sinner needs them maybe more than is easily expressed.
No, it's just pretty typical of RC attitude. For all their purported piety, there are precious few who take the teachings of Jesus to heart, especially like the Sermon on the Mount. You know, Jesus own words.....
In this respect, FRoman Catholics are no different than any of the Catholics I had the (dis)pleasure of growing up with and working with. I can count on one hand for my entire life the number of genuinely Christlike Catholics I've ever met.
Is this a strange thread.....or what? ....
Well, I am doing as my Beloved Christ commanded, and praying for my enemy to be blessed, as you may have seen.
But I also have to pray for Him to forgive my anger, to heal it, and to comfort me. I liked your post a lot, but I am not there and can’t pretend I am. God told me I could be as honest with Him as I am able, so that we could really love each other, and I have faith that He meant it.
Yep. It’s hit a whole new level today.
I mostly agree with you.
However, some horridly hypocritical, abusive and destructive, jerky attitudes deserve to be jerked with a bit.
There's kind of something to this Quix. It gives the impression that truths don't matter if they conflict with one's own personal Truth.
There are almost 2 million knights so it would seem that most Catholic families in the US have a knight or two among them. I've been asked to join but as I say "I already have enough friend" and while some people may perceive them as a bunch of guys who hang around drinking and playing cards at the hall, I respect the organization and what the members stand up for. I've now seen the "oath" that was probably posted here... good grief but it's NOT funny.
And so, if that's part of what people believe about Catholics and if that's not really a big deal then what lie IS too big? Are there any limits?
You have a pretty clear understanding of what I believe about the pentecostal movement, if someone said that Pentecostals were doing what that oath says Catholics are doing I would be absolutely horrified: I think you're wrong, but not at the expense of truth... or The Truth.
Very nice. Telling lies and defending those who tell those lies are considered virtuous as long as they are anti Catholic? Did you see the posting that started all this? Or are you okay with anything relatively anti Catholic and happily chip in to support the lies? Here’s something: the lie has been removed. Why would that be?
Thanks for being so BLAZINGLY WRONG again.
I gather it’s difficult to comprehend the
DIFFERENCE
between a wonderful FREEPER
and an erroneous document.
Welllllllllllll . . . a FREEPER happens to be a human being . . .
and an erroneous document is . . . wellll . . . a false document.
Nevermind. I don’t know that I have the patience tonight for such a tedious long term educational project about such a fundamental DIFFERENCE.
May we all be given the grace to remember that whatever joy and hope we have comes from the faith that we, undeserving sinners, have been forgiven and given a hope we would not dare to imagine. May we look on our fellows and rejoice that they too have been saved with the same unmerited salvation that gives us new lives and wide open hearts. May we, confident in our healer, laugh at our wounds.
And may His love reign triumphant in our hearts.
I make this prayer, moved by the Spirit, through the Son who died that I might live and hope, to the Father who made all things. I'll be back next Sunday,. God bless all of you. ALL of you.
Oh, knock off the false piety. Since we are all anonymous on FR we are what we post and the vile content posted by Rnmomof7 was signed by her. She didn't just fabricate her lies like you so often do, she actually cut and pasted banned content. That is reprehensible and your attempt to obfuscate and isolate the deed behind some suddenly discovered sense of Christian charity is equally vile and reprehensible.
Compared to your august self, I am a complete novice.
I gather it’s difficult to comprehend the DIFFERENCE between a wonderful FREEPER and an erroneous document.
Crap. When a wonderful FReeper posts a document violently opposed to one I posted a couple of hours earlier and does not do the courtesy of asking me about the differences, I understand the FReeper to be intentional, and not erroneous.
Nevermind. I don’t know that I have the patience tonight for such a tedious long term educational project about such a fundamental DIFFERENCE.
I said it before and I'll say it now. You are defending the indefensible - the false oath of the Knights of Columbus, in violation of the RM's guidelines - and you can blow it out your ear, scuzzbag.
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