Posted on 09/06/2010 1:57:21 PM PDT by restornu
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Some of my non-LDS Christian friends have told meResponse
Almost invariably when someone claims Mormons are polytheists, they are not seeking a clear explanation of Mormon thought on the nature of God, but are simply using a word with negative connotations in our religious culture as a club to intimidate or confuse others.
Consider, for example, a conversation that Evangelical Christian author Richard Abanes, in his book Becoming Gods (pp. 107-8), claims to have had with a LDS bishop:
Abanes: "Don't you believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?"
Bishop: "We certainly do, and they are one God."
Abanes: "Don't you believe the Father is a god?"
Bishop: "Yes, of course."
Abanes: "And the Son is a god?"
Bishop: "Yes"
Abanes: "And the Holy Ghost is a god."
Bishop: "Yes"
Abanes: "That's three gods."
Bishop: "No, they're one God."
The author goes on to describe that he felt he had entered some sort of Twilight Zone scenario, and goes on to declare all Mormons "polytheists." Yet, any Latter-day Saint, upon reading the conversation outlined above, would recognize the creation of a simplified version, or "strawman," of LDS belief.
One might also seriously consider how an Evangelical Christian would answer these same questions. The reality is certainly more complex than the "strawman" above would lead us to believe.
There really is not a single word that adequately captures LDS thought on the nature of God. Pertinent key technical terminology includes the following:
Monotheism (belief that there is only one God)
Tritheism (understanding the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as distinct Gods)
Polytheism (worship of, or belief in, more than one God)
Henotheism (worship of one God without denying the existence of other Gods; also called Monolatry)
Trinitarianism (belief that God consists of three Persons in one substance)
Social Trinitarianism (belief that the oneness of the three Persons is not one of substance but is social in nature [e.g., unity of thought, etc.])
Modalism (belief that there is only one God that does not exist as three separate Persons but rather manifests itself in three different "modes" [i.e., as Father, Son, or Holy Ghost])
Usually the very same people who are pressing the case that Mormons are polytheists are some stripe of Evangelical Christians who claim to be monotheists. But Trinitarians are not Monotheists by definition (just ask a Jew or Muslim).
The facts that the LDS do not believe the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one in substance, and believe in deification/theosis (that humans may eventually become deified and become partakers in the divine nature), has been used to paint Mormons as polytheists.
When we examine the technical terminology above, though, it becomes clear that a key point of demarcation is worship versus acknowledgment of existence.
If members of the Church worshiped an extensive pantheon like the Greeks or Romans, then the label would be appropriate.
In the context of doctrinal differences over the relationship among the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, however, or the doctrine of deification (which is a profoundly Christian doctrine and not just a Mormon one), use of the word "polytheistic" as a pejorative is both inaccurate and inappropriate.
Instead of using a single-word label, one must actually articulate the belief (using fully-developed sentences or paragraphs). The single-word label that will adequately describe the full breadth of LDS thought on the nature of God has yet to be coined.
Are Christians monotheists?
Any discussion with Jews or Muslims will quickly demonstrate no Christian is, strictly speaking, a monotheist.
One of the chief objections by Jews and Muslims is Christians are polytheists. Most brands of Christians insist on the divinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
In addition, the very word those who crafted the great ecumenical creeds used to describe the deity of Jesus, his Father and the Holy Spirit is "trinity," meaning three.
Additionally, they insisted the three Persons should not be confounded, as such would be deemed modalism (one of the primary heresies that led to the formation of the ecumenical creeds and various confessions).
Modalism often insists the one God merely appears to us in three different ways (i.e., as Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and this is exactly what the creeds deny.
Human deification and monotheism The New Testament has language indicating human beings can put on the divine nature and be called "gods" (see John 10:33, 34; Ps. 82:6, Deut. 10:17, etc.). They are instructed to become one with Jesus just as he is one with his Father.
The key point is to realize the existence of other beings with godly attributes has no effect on who Latter-day Saints worship. According to Jeff Lindsay, a popular LDS online apologist:
We worship God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ - not glorious angels or Abraham or Moses or John the Baptist, no matter how great they may be in the kingdom of heaven as sons of God who have become "like Christ" (1 John 3:2).
The only reasonable definition of polytheism requires that plural gods be worshiped - but the beings that Christ calls "gods" are not who we worship at all. In terms of worship, we are properly called monotheists.[1] Additionally, there is abundant evidence of deification being taught by various commonly accepted Christians.
If belief in theosis makes one a polytheist, many Christians would have to be so labeled - including such figures as C. S. Lewis and John Calvin. Clearly, this is not the way in which the term "polytheist" is normally used, but critics of the Church are often willing to be inconsistent if the Church can be made to look alien or "unchristian."
"Monotheism" is sufficiently broad to include the kind of oneness enjoyed by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as well as that promised to those who become one with them when fully sanctified.
Conclusion Latter-day Saints are not polytheists in any reasonable sense of the term that does not also exclude most other Christians who deny the Modalist heresy. Trying to reduce LDS thought to a simple term or "slogan" in this way distorts LDS doctrine.
The Saints worship one God. There are no competing divinities in whom they put their trust. LDS scripture contains such language (1 Nephi 13:41, 2 Nephi 31:21, Mosiah 15:1-5, Alma 11:26-37, Morm. 7:7, D&C 20:28, Mos. 1:20), but it is qualified in somewhat the same way that Creedal Christians have found a way of saying "three"—as in Trinity—and yet also one.
CTR
Resty are there other gods on other planets?
Worth a close and careful read: A scholarly and dispassionate article that every LDS member ought to read.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2393756/posts?page=683
Hey you did not answer my question so I should take that as a...
HUH??? Are there other gods on other planets?
A question I was about to ask. I'm just not sure who is allowed to comment on (Ecumenical) threads or what kind of questions are allowed.
Are these gods on other planets on an equal footing as the living God that you and I worship? Do they rate the upper case "G" or simply "god"?
My remarks and questions may well be stricken because I don't know the rules for (Ecumenical).
Answer my question first!
I think friendly discussion..not debate and I think they would say they only “worship” the god of this planet... that they believe makes them monotheists ???
How many planets are there ?
What is it?? I did not see it??
If I’m not mistaken,
part of the creed is that God (capital G) was once like us humans,
and we are destined to be like He is.
The only incorrect way for the Mormons to handle this issue is to lie about it...
If that’s what you believe, state it and defend it.
Abanes: “Don’t you believe the Father is a god?”
Bishop: “Yes, of course.”
Abanes: “And the Son is a god?”
Bishop: “Yes”
Abanes: “And the Holy Ghost is a god.”
Bishop: “Yes”
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Thats enough for me...
Christians dont believe any of that...
Christians believe in the Trinity...
ONE God in Three Persons...
God the Father is God
God the Word, the Son, Jesus is God
God the Holy Ghost is God..
May I suggest that, theologically, God's "face" to sentient beings on other planets is irrelevant. God spoke to us, through His Chosen and then later (more significantly) through the sacrifice of His Son who taught us the new way of dealing with each other as human beings.
If we believe (as many of us do) that there is One True God then He is the One who created the Universe -- including extraterrestrials (who are terrestrials in their own planets).
God spoke to the the Israelis, directly to begin with, indirectly later. We have the record and it is pretty clear.
Whether others in the vast Universe needed and were then provided with a Savior can only be determined upon empirical study (that is, when we meet them and speak with them).
But, as I started out stating, it is theologically null and void.
>>Answer my question first!
What is it?? I did not see it??<<
The upshot is: “Do you feel more comfortable now you stopped beating your wife?”
Now THERE is an interesting theory.
Ping me when you learn more. Thanks.
Romans 14:1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Mathew:13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only A FEW find it.
(emphasis mine)
The creed that I have heard Mormons say (on camera):
As god once was, man is now.
As god is now, man may become.
Not really, if you are to believe what happened to the entire universe when man sinned. Man broke the entire creation, not just on this planet, but the entire Universe. Romans 8 makes that clear. If our sin broke everything, Jesus is the Savior of everything, God would not have to manifest Himself to anywhere else to anyone else to correct a human-centered problem.
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