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Common Atheists' Myths
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheists_myths.html ^

Posted on 12/20/2010 10:32:51 AM PST by truthfinder9

Introduction

I know that Christians are supposed to be the ones who believe a lot of myths. However, the vast majority of atheists believe myths such as religion is the primary cause of wars, and the vast amount of atrocities have been caused by religious people, the Bible has been vastly changed over the centuries, Paul invented Christianity, and the list goes on and on. Find your favorite myth below and read the article so that you won't embarrass yourself in the future.

Atheists' Myths

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheists; evidences; facts; proofs
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To: grey_whiskers; Notary Sojac
What *objective* grounds do you have to advocate one over the other?

The Golden Rule, or in other words, the Principle of Reciprocity. Break it, and you'll have real-world consequences that are to the detriment of any organised social structure.

Cheers!

181 posted on 12/26/2010 10:08:49 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: reasonisfaith; kosta50
But conventional scientific thought tells us, in describing the event of the Big Bang, that conventional science is not all-inclusive. Because current laws of science are not applicable to phenomena having to do with the Big Bang. Therefore, the Big Bang itself is supernatural.

Is any phenomenon that lacks an explanation, 'supernatural'? For example, if no adequate explanation can fully describe the origin and mechanisms involved in causing pancreatic cancer, does that mean that 'supernatural' forces are in play? Are there different kinds of 'supernatural'? Can these differences be obfuscated / abused in deliberate attempts at mixing superstition with phenomena that is 'supernatural'?

Discuss!

182 posted on 12/26/2010 10:18:11 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Really? Scads of dictators lived for many years as kings of the roost, with many of their victims never avenged, never recompensed.

(Isn't that what you atheists complain about, that God isn't just, but is unaccountable? So why comfort yourself with fairy tales about "recompense" of dictators when it doesn't even happen here in "the real world" ?)

Cheers!

183 posted on 12/26/2010 10:19:06 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Neither ad hominem nor changing the subject will save you: you made an unsubstantiated universal assertion about the degree of suffering.

You are, and remain, incorrect.

184 posted on 12/26/2010 10:22:28 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Try doing more than cutting-and-pasting and beating your chest, Tarzan-style.

You have a vivid imagination, but not as much proclivity to actually ping the person who initiated that kind of debating here, to which I had replied with the excerpt to stimulate the discussion further (which, as I predicted, served my purpose rather well). Why did you ignore that person's original technique?

185 posted on 12/26/2010 10:24:56 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

With respect and for the sake of honesty I must point out that atheism continually shows itself to be the product of flawed thinking and confusion.

The claim “God is not good” is both an admission of the truth of divine existence and a demonstration of a dependence on the unworkable logic that God’s standard of good is the same as our standard of good.


186 posted on 12/26/2010 10:25:49 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Ducking the question, as usual.

This implies that you are incapable of breaking down your cut-and-paste to it essentials, as I thought.

Ta-ta for now, have some Christmas gifts and personal things to attend to.

Cheers!

187 posted on 12/26/2010 10:28:35 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: truthfinder9

The funniest thing about atheists is that most of them say that there is no G-d because bad things happen. The only creator they can dare imagine is one who would only make a shiny unicorns and rainbows world. Obviously the god that would interest them would take away free natural biology, technology that could never be experimented on, no human growth, and no human choice! The god they want would be a perfect robot and we would all have to be robots.

It’s the same as saying that they hate the world. They do not see the brilliance, creativity, and freedom of Creation. They want ultimate control, like an obsessed model railroader.


188 posted on 12/26/2010 10:29:52 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: grey_whiskers; kosta50
The problem with discussing with you is that you've learnt the technique of throwing around phrases like "ad hominem" in order to attempt getting out of the mental trap that your arguments have lead you to falling into.

You believe that an infant that was inflicted with an illness serious enough to cause sickness for a week, followed by death did not cause the infant any suffering, just the same way as you had implied in the earlier thread that the Amalekite infants and children could not have suffered through the consequences of the supposed act of the same deity ordering for their infanticide and deaths.

Since there is no possible way for you to redeem yourself (from this situation here that you find yourself in) other than by absorbing a more-than-healthy dose of self-inflicted embarrassment, you choose to pepper the thread with, ahem, "ad hominems"!

Cheers, and Merry Christmas!

189 posted on 12/26/2010 10:34:11 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: grey_whiskers
the proper question is not "What is God?"

If he is a who then he is also a what. How about what is divine?

190 posted on 12/26/2010 10:36:26 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: grey_whiskers
Until the (anti-Christian, Gramsci-inspired) liberals Communists started rotting our society

We seem to agree on something. The question is what are you going to do about it? bellyaching is not enough.

191 posted on 12/26/2010 10:38:13 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: grey_whiskers
Ducking the question, as usual.

LOL, the answer to your question required clarification of your poorly-concealed intent, which when exposed, caused you to make your predictable reaction / outburst. How thoroughly the scaffoldings have been unravelled!

Ta-ta for now, have some Christmas gifts and personal things to attend to.

Indeed, you do. Buh-bye!

192 posted on 12/26/2010 10:39:27 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: grey_whiskers
Selected Projective Solipcism

You mean solipsism? is there any other type?

As Calvin said, "I declare you Null and Void."

Oooh, did he wave his magic wand?

193 posted on 12/26/2010 10:43:03 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: reasonisfaith; kosta50
With respect and for the sake of honesty I must point out that atheism continually shows itself to be the product of flawed thinking and confusion.

Returning the same respect, why is there no answer to the question as to why David's child had to suffer?

"God's justice is not Man's justice" is a poor way of putting it, really, especially since we're all supposedly "created" in a certain image.

It is astonishing why this question is rarely, if ever, addressed in theological circles, especially in times that were contemporary with the writing of the scriptures, themselves. Wouldn't you agree that this is true?

194 posted on 12/26/2010 10:44:32 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

“Is any phenomenon that lacks an explanation, ‘supernatural’?”

No.

Any phenomenon for which conventions of physics or chemistry cannot be applied, due to the fact that the particular phenomenon isn’t subject to pertinent laws or principles, is supernatural.

In trying to figure out something like cancer there’s no reason to exclude known principles of physics and chemistry.

But in thinking about the moment of the Big Bang, conventional principles of physics and chemistry are useless. The rules of nature, as defined by conventional science, don’t apply.

If you think there are “different kinds” of supernatural, let me know what they are.


195 posted on 12/26/2010 10:45:24 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: grey_whiskers
And you, a God-fearing intellectual atheist, haven't heard of The Golden Bough?

See, you don't know anything about me. I never said I was an atheist an I never heard of Golden Bough. You are making things up, as usual. If I remember correctly, I asked you not to post to me and if not, I say it now. Making personal attacks and unsubstantiated claims doesn't contribute to a discussion of a topic.

196 posted on 12/26/2010 10:52:23 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: James C. Bennett

Almost as clear, or maybe more clear, than the teaching that we’re created in God’s image is the teaching that we are inferior to God.

To think our being created in God’s image means our thoughts are equal to his is like trying to have common sense while excluding both the common and the sense.

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.” (Isaiah 55:8)


197 posted on 12/26/2010 10:54:18 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: kosta50

So the question is do you have the confidence in your position, or your theology, or your ideology to admit and describe it openly? Why keep it a secret?

Can it withstand scrutiny, and can you support the burden of honesty and sincerity?


198 posted on 12/26/2010 10:58:18 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: reasonisfaith
I have confiedence in my position. There are no secrets. The issue was certain poster's baiting and assuming too much. Your questions and the whole tone is one of condescension to which I feel no special appeal to reply.

When and if you drop your judgmental questioning manner I will entertain your inquiries. But as long as you start with "are you capable of" or "are you honest enough" I will not because such questions are only baiting and provoking, and I will not stoop down so low.

199 posted on 12/26/2010 11:16:37 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: reasonisfaith

The problem with that explanation again relates to what Kosta50 exposed in his earlier reply to you where he pointed out that for you to accept David’s child’s being inflicted by a fatal illness by the supposed deity as “divine justice”, you have to resort to the same deity’s supposed words which essentially boil down to mean that it did it because it can do it.

Now, for someone to accept this as sufficient justification, it requires them to possess faith in this deity, beforehand. In the same manner, a Muslim can “justify” the vile actions of that religion’s god, as well - and many do just that.

What is your explanation as to why there is a remarkable ‘toning down’ in the attitudinal qualities of this divinity-figure, from the Old Testament god all the way through Jesus? In other words, is it possible for you to imagine, say, Jesus ordering the slaughter of the Amalekite infants?


200 posted on 12/26/2010 11:22:29 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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