[eastforker]

We are human beings, we can think and rationalize, we like to treat other as we would like to be treated.We understand loyalty to our partners.We react sometimes violently when there is a threat to our family.Not because of god or gods, but out of love.We can even teach loyalty and love to some animals, where is their god.Is god a requirement to show common decency or respect, no.In your mind, you think it must be taught as a belief, You can believe in goodness without being taught and not everyone needs salvation by beliefs.

[circlecity]

"we like to treat other as we would like to be treated"

IF history shows us anything it shows us that is absolutely not true - we continuially fail to treat others as we would like to be treated. Constantly. The fact we intuitively acknowledge the righteousness of this standard none of consistently can or do live up to, a standard which cannot be proved rationally; a standard nobody imposes morally on any other "animal" but humans; is, for me, a very persuasive proof of the existance of God.

[caww]

..and what standard of measure do you use that what you are projecting is indeed love?..Loyalty?..Decency?...Respect?

Define good.