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This Is My Name Forever (Jewish/Noachide caucus)
Light of Israel ^ | N/A | Mordecai Alfandari

Posted on 02/14/2011 10:56:44 PM PST by Netizen


We would like to bring to your attention, dear readers, a matter written by the Prophet Jeremiah, Chapter 23, Verses 26-27: "Until when will there be in the heart of those prophesying false prophecies and prophets of the deception of their hearts: Who scheme to make my people forget my name with their dreams that a man tells to his fellow, as their fathers forgot my name for Ba'al". From here we learn that a great sin was committed by those Prophets of Deception who caused the People of Israel to "forget" the name of their Creator! Do you, the reader of these words now, know the name of your Creator and King? His name is not "Adonai" as you have been taught to think. His name is YHWH, and this fact is most vital and must be known by all, as will be shown below.

The sages of the Talmud forbade us to pronounce the name of our God and even said that he who pronounces His name will not have a portion in the world to come.

Apparently these sages were more "religious" then Moses our teacher who wrote "Fear YHWH your God; Him you shall fear and to Him shall you cling and in His name will you make oaths" (Deuteronomy Chapter 10 Verse 20). This raises the question, how can we make an oath in His name if it is forbidden to pronounce it.

Apparently these sages were wiser than Solomon son of David who said: "And if your people Israel is smitten before an enemy, because they have sinned against you, and they will repent and praise your name and they will pray and supplicate before you in this house: And you will hear from heavens and forgive the sin of Israel and you will return them to the land that you have given to them and their fathers: When the heaven are stopped and there is no rain, because they have sinned against you, and they will pray to this place and praise you name, they will repent from their sins and you shall surely answer them: And you will hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servant and your people Israel..." (2Chronicles 6,24-27). There is no forgiving of sins without mentioning the name of YHWH! There is no salvation from troubles without mentioning the name of YHWH!

David King of Israel wrote: "YHWH will answer you on the day of trouble, the name of the God of Jacob shall raise you up." (Psalms Chapter 20 Verse 1). Millions of Children of Israel were burned and killed because they did not know the name of their savior; YHWH Tzevaot is His name, the Holy One of Israel!

YHWH said to Moses in His Torah: "And they shall put my name on the Children of Israel and I will bless them!" (Numbers Chapter 6 Verse 27). There is no blessing from God without mentioning His name!!

Some argue that the pronunciation of the special name is not known and therefore we can not pronounce it. In order to refute this argument let us look at Exodus Chapter 3 Verses 13-16: "And Moses said to God, Behold when I come to the Children of Israel and say to them "The God of your fathers has sent me" and they will say to me "What is His name?", what shall I tell them? And God said to Moses, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh [I am whatever I am]! And he said, 'Thus shall you say to the Children of Israel, "Ehyeh has sent me to you!"' And God said also to Moses, Thus shall you say to the Children of Israel, 'YHWH the God of your fathers the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob has sent me to you. This is my name forever and this is my memorial from generation to generation.'"

Thus, the Creator calls His name Ehyeh, in Binyan Kal, Future Tense, 1st person of the verb HaYaH (Lihyot) [Was (To Be)] with the vocalization EHYeH [ ]. God commanded Moses to use the 3rd person of the same verb that is YiHYeH [ ] or YiHWeH [ ]. The Scripture uses the form "YiHWeH" [ ] in place of the regular "YiHYeH" [ ] in order to distinguish the special name from the common form of the verb! Therefore the name of the God of Israel is "YiHWeH" [ ] and there is no secret or mystery here. Those who cause the name to be forgotten have been very successful in their mission and scheme to bring a holocaust upon the people of YHWH. There are few Jews who know the name of their Creator.

Dear brothers, there are difficult days ahead!! Great days of danger at the end of which shall be a great salvation and redemption! Read that which is written by the Prophet of YHWH: "And it will be after I will pour out my spirit on all flesh and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your elders will dream dreams, your youths will see visions, and even upon the man-servants and the woman-servants in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will give miracles in heaven and earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke, the sun will turn to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of YHWH, and it will be that all who call upon the name of YHWH will be delivered, because in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be a deliverance as YHWH has said 'And in the remnant which YHWH shall call'." (Joel Chapter 3 [English Chapter 2,28-32]).

Children of Israel, spare your souls, return to your God, return to the written Torah of Moses, and to the words of the Prophets of Truth and Justice. Keep the Sabbath from profaning it, hold your hands from doing evil! Praise YHWH - Call upon His name. The Day of YHWH approaches! Prepare for your God, Oh Israel!


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: jewish; noachide
The Hebrew Scriptures command us to remember, speak, mention, to proclaim, call upon, read, write, and swear by the Sacred Name , thus we are permitted to use the Name of the Most High in written texts and in spoken word

Exodus 23
13) And in all things that I have said unto you take ye heed; and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

Someone removed 'YHWH' from scripture, but left in the names of the pagan g-ds.

All the tribes of Israel were commanded to "hear" the WRITTEN Torah read out loud every seven years... implies the ancient people of Israel would hear the Name at least 6,828 times every seven years

Deuteronomy 31
10) And Moses commanded them, saying: 'At the end of every seven years, in the set time of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, (11) when all Israel is come to appear before YHWH thy God in the place which He shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. (12) Assemble the people, the men and the women and the little ones, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear YHWH your God, and observe to do all the words of this law; (13) and that their children, who have not known, may hear, and learn to fear YHWH your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over the Jordan to possess it.'

Deuteronomy 6
(12) then beware lest thou forget YHWH, who brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (13) Thou shalt fear YHWH thy God; and Him shalt thou serve, and by His name shalt thou swear.

1 posted on 02/14/2011 10:56:49 PM PST by Netizen
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To: blasater1960
For your perusal and discussion on the importance of The Divine Name.

Deuteronomy 10
(20) Thou shalt fear YHWH thy God; Him shalt thou serve; and to Him shalt thou cleave, and by His name shalt thou swear.

Exodus 3
(15) And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations.

Exodus 6
(2) And God spoke unto Moses, and said unto him: 'I am YHWH; (3) and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH I made Me not known to them. (4) And I have also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their sojournings, wherein they sojourned.

Exodus 9
(13) And YHWH said unto Moses: 'Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him: Thus saith YHWH, the God of the Hebrews: Let My people go, that they may serve Me. (14) For I will this time send all My plagues upon thy person, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like Me in all the earth. (15) Surely now I had put forth My hand, and smitten thee and thy people with pestilence, and thou hadst been cut off from the earth. (16) But in very deed for this cause have I made thee to stand, to show thee My power, and that My name may be declared throughout all the earth.

2 posted on 02/14/2011 11:01:45 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Netizen; Zionist Conspirator

This has nothing to do with the Jewish/Noachide Caucus. This should be at least labeled ‘Karaite’ or some such appellation.

DEUT 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;

9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:

10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:

11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.

DEUT 32:7 Remember the days of old,consider the years of many generations. Ask your father, and he will show you; your elders, and they will tell you:

5 posted on 02/15/2011 4:46:32 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
We have had a similar situation in another caucus, the Catholic Caucus which is defined as those who currently believe in papal supremacy. Some in that caucus wished to exclude sedevacantists.

I told them as I will tell you now, if you wish to redefine what a caucus entails, start a new thread so there can be an open discussion of the issues.

Until such a time as the definition changes, Jewish/Noachide Caucus will include anyone who currently believes himself to be either Jewish or Noachide.

6 posted on 02/15/2011 6:52:21 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: jjotto
The Orthodox Jewish community will largely not pronounce the so-called "Ineffable" Name because of a Rabbinic ban on Its pronunciation:
"It is forbidden to read the glorious and terrible name as it is written, as the sages said "He that pronounces the name as it is written has no portion in the world to come". Therefore it must be read as if it were written Adonai." (Mishnah Berurah 5:2) Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 90a/10:1
The Rabbinic ban on the pronunciation seems to closely coincide or closely follow the Seleucid Greek ban on the use of The-Divine-Name in the 2nd Century BCE (described in Babylonian Talmud, Rosh Hashannah 18b). The ban was certainly only one of the anti-Torah decrees enacted by the pagan tyrant Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 BCE. The Jewish Hasmoneans later defeated the Seleucids and reversed the anti-Torah decrees, including all bans on the usage of The-Name. Even so, the rabbinic elders (i.e. Pharisees) opposed this and other Hasmonean efforts (the Hasmoneans were Sadducees who rejected the "Oral Torah" of the Pharisees).

It is only Jewish tradition since the 2nd century BCE that prohibits the pronunciation of God's name. The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) itself shows that God's name was liberally and openly pronounced in ancient times.

2Ch 7:14
(14) if My people, upon whom My name is called, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Isaiah 12
(4) And in that day shall ye say: 'Give thanks unto YHWH, proclaim His name, declare His doings among the peoples, make mention that His name is exalted.

Isaiah 26
(13) O YHWH our God, other lords beside Thee have had dominion over us; but by Thee only do we make mention of Thy name.

Isaiah 52
(6) Therefore My people shall know My name; therefore they shall know in that day that I, even He that spoke, behold, here I am.

Jeremiah 12
(15) And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them up, I will again have compassion on them; and I will bring them back, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land. (16) And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people to swear by My name: 'As YHWH liveth,' even as they taught My people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built up in the midst of My people.

Jeremiah 23
(26) How long shall this be? Is it in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, and the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? (27) That think to cause My people to forget My name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.

Psalm 30
(5) Sing praise unto YHWH, O ye His godly ones, and give thanks to His holy name.

Psalm 97
(12) Be glad in YHWH, ye righteous; and give thanks to His holy name.

Psalm 102
(13) But Thou, O YHWH, sittest enthroned for ever; and Thy name is unto all generations.

Psalm 135
(13) O YHWH, Thy name endureth for ever; thy memorial, O YHWH, throughout all generations. (14) For YHWH will judge His people, and repent Himself for His servants.

Ezekiel 39
(7) And My holy name will I make known in the midst of My people Israel; neither will I suffer My holy name to be profaned any more; and the nations shall know that I am YHWH, the Holy One in Israel.

Hosea 12
(6) But YHWH, the God of hosts, YHWH is His name.

Zechariah 13:9
(9) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried; they shall call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say: 'It is My people', and they shall say: 'YHWH is my God.'

How do you call on it, praise it, declare it, pass it on to future generations, if you can't speak it, read it or write it?

7 posted on 02/15/2011 8:32:09 AM PST by Netizen
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To: Netizen; All
I like this post Netizen. I think it is a good thing to focus on the unspeakable name. I think to often people see the word LORD in the bible and dont really differentiate between it and Lord. Let alone stop to really dig into literature and study.

The Yud Hay Vav Hay is considered to be so Holy by some, Chabad Rabbis for instance, that they wont even pronounce the letters, instead they will substitute Yud Kay Vav Kay instead. The Hey being the letter representing G-ds name.

Here is an interesting take on G-ds name from Rabbi Tzvi Freeman.

G-ds Name

There is no name for G d and yet there are so many names. The most powerful of all names is the secret, ineffable name.

There is nothing more secret than that name; it is the secret of all secrets. Other secrets are secrets because they are revealed only to a select few, because they are transmitted in whispered riddles and puzzles, because they contain power that an elite wishes to withhold. But would they be told, they would no longer be secret; and so, they were never truly secrets at all.

Then there are secrets that must be withheld because they will be distorted and misunderstood. They cannot be told except to those that know intimately the place in the soul from which they come. Within their context they are glorious wonders, beams of light. Leaving their bounds they become bizarre and wild, the arsenal of false messiahs. And so, they are held secret, until the time comes that the outside has become the inside.

G d is not an is. Rather, is is G d. G d's name is a true secret. So secret that it is outside as much as it is inside for all to know—and yet it remains a secret. The small child knows it before he is taught, the adult constructs his world on its foundation and no sentient being can begin to think without its knowledge—and yet, still, it remains a closed, sealed secret. For as much as all humanity will say to one another the secret and all the philosophers of the world will philosophize its meaning, they will come no closer to understanding. On the contrary, every word they speak whisks them further away, every grain of understanding conceals even more. G d's name is seen by those with open eyes and lost to those that understand.

Why can't we say what G d is? Because G d is not an is. Rather, is is G d.

That is His name, His principal name to the prophets: a conjugation of the verb to be. And as soon as I write more, the meaning is lost. In perfect stillness, we can know; staring in utter quietness at the source of the river of being at its zero-point of emergence, not trying to understand, only to know the source beyond the source of that point, in the not-being of chochmah (wisdom), the capacity to see what-is. But immediately as we are swept down the river of let-me-comprehend, the noise of words and semantics drown out the quietness and steal away our vision of both the point and its source.

That point of wisdom, at its very source, that is the G d of Abraham that he called by the name of Isness; the G d who spoke to Moses and said, "I am being who I am being"; the G d of Maimonides, without whom there is nothing and yet needs none of them to exist, who cannot be said to be or not be, because all being extends from His simple oneness; the G d of the Kabbalists who used the metaphor of infinite light as a codeword for the unbounded is-source and described all things as no more than shimmerings of that light. The Is that all of us would recognize we stand within, were it not for our ego's claim to sole dominion of is, was and will be. That is our G d to whom we pray each day, to whom we say, "You."

Can is be defined?

Can there be more than one is?

Who is the fool that can deny is? Who is the fool that needs to prove it?

There is nothing else but is—all else is but a fiction of the isness. Is will allow for infinite iterations of is, yet the Is itself never changes.

Listen Israel, [the secret name] is our G‑d, [the secret name] is to be made one. Until, "On that day, the Isness will be one and His name will be one." We will speak the secret, and we will understand.

No great mind has left this earth without contemplating the is. Yet only one made the great leap of the absurd: To take possession of the is as his own. To enter into a relationship with the very Isness of reality as a person relating to his friend. To call it You, Mine and Ours. To say to it, "Hey, there's a world here which is Yours. There is time and space, there is life; there are the passions of my heart, my fear of death and my struggle to live; there is an entire humanity like me, each with a story, each living as though he were the vortex of existence; there is a wondrous nature, visions of majestic awe and rhythms of mesmerizing beauty. All extends from Your isness, for there is nothing else but You. Let me find You in this world of Yours. Be here!"

In Abraham's time, the many forces of nature and human passions were the Elokim. The Is was aloft and transcendent, the property of ascetic mystics, removed from the world. Abraham "called in the name of Isness, G d of the world." He declared, "Isness is the Elokim!" In nature, in history, in human life, in justice and in the most visceral experiences of life, he drew the Is.

SIDE NOTE by me: Elokim, is the name of G-d that has a “plural” ending of –im in the Hebrew. It in no way indicates a plural godhead. The –im “plural” ending in Hebrew is often used to describe “vastness” or “never ending”. "Chaim" means life (singular), yet it uses a plural suffix. The word for "water" is "mayim," which uses a plural suffix. The word for "face" is "panim." Even the word for "heaven," "shamayim" used in the first verse of Genesis has the plural ending. Clearly, not every word in Hebrew that employs a plural suffix is actually a plurality. Just as it is not true that every word in English that ends in "s" is a plural word, not every word in Hebrew that ends with "im" is plural.

8 posted on 02/15/2011 12:21:16 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Netizen

Netizen, please explain why you believe yourself to be Jewish or Noachide. How do you define these two states of being?

9 posted on 02/15/2011 3:12:34 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Netizen, please explain why you believe yourself to be Jewish or Noachide. How do you define these two states of being?

At the time of the flood, when all the wicked perished and only the family of Noah survived, all the people that survived at that time were gentiles. The covenant made at that time, in Genesis 9, is known as the Noahic Covenant, and was for all mankind, there were no Israelites yet.  Those who subscribe to the observance of such laws are referred to as Bene Noach (B'nei Noah), Children of Noah, Noahides, Noahites, or Noachides.

Technically, the Hebrew term Bene Noach applies to all non-Jews as descendants of Noah. However, nowadays it is also used to refer specifically to those non-Jews who observe the Noahide Laws.  I strive to keep these laws as best I can and just like you, when I falter I can repent and ask YHWH for forgeveness. YHWH gave the Seven Laws of Noah to all humanity after the flood.

  1. Prohibition of Idolatry
  2. Prohibition of Murder
  3. Prohibition of Theft
  4. Prohibition of Sexual immorality
  5. Prohibition of Blasphemy
  6. Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
  7. Establishment of law courts

Later at Sinai another covenant was made, this time with those that were set apart, they became the Israelites. This covenant consisted of the same things as the Noahic covenant, but it had additional commandments as well. These additional commandments pertained to the Israelites because they were to be a light unto the nations. They were to be an example to the gentiles. The Israelites were to be a Holy nation. The extra commandments pertained to dietary guidelines for purity, they also contained commandments for their 'priesthood', and Sabbath keeping.

I'm not sure why you are being so hostile to this article.  It isn't like anyone is accusing you of heresy or anything. These two groups have the same goals. Obedience to YHWH. They comprise the same family.

10 posted on 02/15/2011 5:10:37 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP; Religion Moderator

Which are you? Jewish or Noachide? This is a caucus thread.

12 posted on 02/15/2011 8:24:26 PM PST by Netizen
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To: blasater1960
Thanks for posting that. It was very interesting.

I think it is a good thing to focus on the unspeakable name. I think to often people see the word LORD in the bible and dont really differentiate between it and Lord. Let alone stop to really dig into literature and study.

Even more than that is the fact that there were no upper or lower cases in the original texts. So, one must wonder at how the early church determined which times to use LORD instead of Lord. This is important because most gentiles are first introduced to the Hebrew Scriptures through christian translators and transliterations of certain words.

I think its important for truth seekers to know the name of whom they are seeking. YHWH.

Micah 4
(5) For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of YHWH our God for ever and ever.

Joshua 24
(15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve YHWH, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH.'

Something else I found interesting.

The First fruits Confession is a declaration made at the Temple upon the presentation of the first fruits offering. This confession follows a set formula laid down in Dt 26:3-10. The first fruits confession contains the name of YHWH six times.

Deuteronomy 26
(3) And thou shalt come unto the priest that shall be in those days, and say unto him: 'I profess this day unto YHWH thy God, that I am come unto the land which YHWH swore unto our fathers to give us.' (4) And the priest shall take the basket out of thy hand, and set it down before the altar of YHWH thy God. (5) And thou shalt speak and say before YHWH thy God: 'A wandering Aramean was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there, few in number; and he became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous. (6) And the Egyptians dealt ill with us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage. (7) And we cried unto YHWH, the God of our fathers, and YHWH heard our voice, and saw our affliction, and our toil, and our oppression. (8) And YHWH brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders. (9) And He hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, a land flowing with milk and honey. (10) And now, behold, I have brought the first of the fruit of the land, which Thou, O YHWH, hast given me.' And thou shalt set it down before YHWH thy God, and worship before YHWH thy God.

Also of note is that YHWH's name was used as a form of greeting.

Ruth 2
(4) And, behold, Boaz came from Beth-lehem, and said unto the reapers: 'YHWH be with you.' And they answered him: 'YHWH bless thee.'

Psalm 118
(26) Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH; we bless you out of the house of YHWH.

Psalm 118
(8) It is better to take refuge in YHWH than to trust in man.

As an aside, for any lurkers that want to know more about Noachides there is a book called The Path of the Righteous Gentile.  I have a hard copy, but there is a free online copy.  Here.

13 posted on 02/15/2011 8:34:15 PM PST by Netizen
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To: jjotto

As an addendum you didn’t answer my question.

How do you call on it, praise it, declare it, pass it on to future generations, if you can’t speak it, read it or write it?

14 posted on 02/15/2011 8:40:51 PM PST by Netizen (Psalm 118:8 - It is better to take refuge in YHWH than to trust in man.)
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To: Netizen

Good stuff....Nothing like starting at the very very begining! You are 100% correct, awesome.

15 posted on 02/15/2011 8:54:36 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Netizen

I asked the question because I don’t deny what Noahides believe or many in Judaism either....

16 posted on 02/16/2011 12:12:08 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

To post on a caucus, you must currently be a member of that caucus. In this case, you’d have to be either Jewish or Noachide. If you are Christian as your posts on other threads indicate, do not post on this thread at all.

17 posted on 02/16/2011 12:15:13 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Ok I understand...

Thank you.

18 posted on 02/16/2011 12:31:49 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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