Vatican Coddles Schismatic Chinese "Bishops" [excommunicates anti-communist hero Abp. Lefebvre]

From : Anti-Communist Archbishop Marcel Levevbre's 1981 Triumphant Reception in Mexico

1981

During an early year visit to the States, Archbishop Lefebvre dedicates the complex of Jesus and Mary in El Paso, Texas. In the afternoon of January 4, 200 children are confirmed. On January 6, four years after a visa had been denied to Archbishop Lefebvre due to pressure put on the government by the bishops of Mexico, our founder crosses the border for what turns out to be a triumphant tour of the country of the Cristeros [see The Angelus, Dec. 1993-Ed.].Followed continuously by the Mexican secret police, the Archbishop visits in the south of the country large areas of very poor Indians who, astonished, received an affirmative answer to their request for a truly Catholic bishop coming to support their fight for the Faith before the Communist clergy, sold to Liberation Theology. He is received like a conquering hero, walking among cheering crowds of thousands in villages festooned with ribbons, garlands, and the magnificent fragrant flowers of those latitudes. Some natives walk as much as 100 miles through mountains to bring their children to be confirmed and to be able to kiss the episcopal ring and receive the blessing of Marcel Lefebvre, "el hombre justo."(the just man). In Tlaxiaco, while the local diocesan bishop celebrates the New Mass for 25 people, thousands attend the solemn ceremonies presided by Archbishop Lefebvre.

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ST. VINCENT OF LERINS (400-450 AD) CONFESSOR OF THE CHURCH

"What then should a Catholic do if some part of the Church were to separate itself from communion with the universal Faith? What other choice can he make but to prefer to the gangrenous and corrupted member the whole of the body that is sound. And if some new contagion were to try to poison no longer a small part of the Church, but all of the Church at the same time, then he will take the greatest care to attach himself to antiquity which, obviously, can no longer be seduced by any lying novelty." (Commonitorium)

from: http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/popelim.txt

First off, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has repeatedly condemned the Chinese government for the appointment of state approved Bishops. And the Vatican does not recognize those alleged bishops. Second, the only apostate is Lefebvre. He chose to split from the church and violate Canon law in his actions. Your citation to Canon law provisions justifying Lefebvre’s actions is pathetic and misleading. Also, despite the Church’s repeated attempts to bring Lefebvre back into the fold, he remains disobedient. What does Canon law say about that conduct my friend? And anyone who could claim that Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict are leading the Church into apostasy is unworthy of any consideration. I urge you my friend to reconcile yourself with the holy mother church and end these ridiculous rants.

Sedevecantis Caucus Alert!

>> In his encyclical Ad Apostolorum Principis of 29 July 1958, Pope Pius XII deplored the attitude and activities of the Association and declared the bishops who participated in consecrating new bishops selected by the Association to be excommunicated. <<

>> Pope Benedict XVI referred to the agents of the Association as “persons who are not ordained, and sometimes not even baptised”, who “control and take decisions concerning important ecclesial questions, including the appointment of Bishops”. <<

So why some ambiguous statements?

>> Dr. Jean-Paul Wiest, an expert in Sino-Vatican relations based in Beijing, explained that from the beginning of the commmunist era in China, the government wanted to create a separate Catholic church without allegiance to Rome. But over the years this has not worked, he said because many of the bishops of the Patriotic Association secretly pledged their loyalty to the pope and were accepted — thus blurring the distinction the communists had sought to make. <<

Thus, even though the episcopal ordinations are invalid, the bishops have pledged loyalty to the Church. So while the schism persists, many individuals within the schism are not guilty of apostasy, or even schism, but are heroically faithful and subversively anti-Communist.

Get your heads out of the sand, or educate yourself about China. The true Chinese Catholic Church is the underground Church, with martyrs by the thousands through the years. The Patriotic Catholic Association" (PCA) of Red China's bishops are all handpicked by the commies, they are commie agents. Are you saying that the article is a lie, that CWNews.com (March 5, 2004) are sedevacantes? :

Compare the Vatican’s treatment of the schismatic bishops of the so-called "Patriotic Catholic Association" (PCA) of Red China, created by Mao Tse-Tung in 1957 to replace the true Catholic Church, which that monster had driven underground. Since 1957 the PCA has consecrated not four, but one hundred bishops without a papal mandate, many of these during the reign of John Paul II. These schismatic prelates are required by the regime in Beijing explicitly to renounce any allegiance to Rome and to promote the Red Chinese population control policy of compulsory contraception and, when that fails, forced abortion. These illicit bishops thus promote mortal sins and gross deviations from the infallible teaching of the Church on faith and morals. What do we find but that, far from declaring these "bishops" excommunicated, the Vatican apparatus has recognized about two-thirds of them as legitimate. This according to an article in the journal Civilta Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican Secretary of State — "Pope" Sodano I — before publication. According to CWNews.com (March 5, 2004) "of the 79 bishops [still] serving the ‘official’ [PCA] Church, 49 have at least de facto recognition from the Vatican." ------------------------------------

Those who call themselves CATHOLIC and go against the authority of Peter are simply victims of the Enemy’s slick presentation of a VERY prideful way of thinking. The choice to accept such thinking will bring horrendous consequences.

The Chinese unground Church has been shedding it’s blood for over 60 years now. They have risked their very lives for the true faith rather than submit to worship in the Communist catholic PCA. Get your head out of your parish bulletin and educate yourself.

Thank you so much for your kind words. I am VERY aware of how the Church is suffering and being manipulated in China. I am also sufficiently educated to be able to discern when people have problems with the Authority granted to the Pope by God.

Our greatest saints submitted to that Authority even when they disagreed with various policies....as unto God. This humility and obedience was at the core of their sainthood.

;-)

From The Cardinal Kung Foundation USA, the Chinese Underground Catholic Church’s Spokeperson to the World:

(http://www.cardinalkungfoundation.org/didyouknow/DidYouKnow.htm)

Did You Know That . . .

The Communist Chinese Government:

Declared that part of the Roman Catholic Church not registered with the Chinese government is ILLEGAL?

Created a Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association in 1957 to replace the Roman Catholic Church?

Transferred all the properties of the Roman Catholic Church in China to the Communist founded Patriotic Association, leaving the “illegal” but loyal-to-Pope Roman Catholic Church penniless?

Did You Know That . . .

Under no circumstance can a Roman Catholic accept just any other church as a substitute without abandoning his faith as a Roman Catholic?

Roman Catholics in China, therefore, cannot keep their faith and at the same time follow their government’s instruction to join the Patriotic Association to reject the Pope’s supreme authority, even at the risk of persecution?

By remaining and obedient to the Pope and by not registering with the Chinese Government, the Roman Catholic Church is outlawed in China and is known as the underground Church, also known as the loyal Church or clandestine Church?

The Chinese government calls the underground church an “unofficial” Church while the Patriotic Association is called an “official” or “open” church.

Did You Know That . . .

The Patriotic Association does not recognize the supreme authority of the Pope and therefore is not in communion with the Pope and the Universal Church?

Pope John Paul II had said many times and most recently in Manila in January, 1995: “A Catholic who wishes to remain such and to be recognized as such cannot reject the principle of communion with the successor of Peter.”?

The Patriotic Association, although calling itself Catholic, is not Catholic because it is not in communion with the Pope, the successor of Peter?

The Canon Law section 751 states:”...schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff...”?

Did You Know That . . .

All Holy Fathers, dead or alive, for the last 60 years have never recognized the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association?

Pope John Paul II had instead said in July, 1991: “With what prayerful longing and love do I follow the life of the loyal Chinese Catholic communities”?

Pope John Paul II had also said in September, 1994:”The great majority of Chinese Catholics, precisely in order to live this fidelity in fullness, have chosen the path of suffering and silence. With deep affection, our hearts turn to these brothers and sisters of ours who suffer great hardship, thankful for their generous and heroic example.”?

Pope Benedict XVI said in May 2007: “the proposal for a Church (apparently referring to the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association) that is “independent” of the Holy See, in the religious sphere, is incompatible with Catholic doctrine.”?

Did You Know That . . .

The Patriotic Association has appointed and ordained scores of Bishops without the permission of the Holy Father, in other words, without a papal mandate?

Most of them have subsequently asked to be received into communion with the Pope? The Pope has granted them the full and legitimate exercise of Episcopal jurisdiction. Unfortunately, many of these legitimized bishops have failed to provide any clear signs to prove that they have been legitimized.

On this subject, the Canon Law Section 1382 states: “a bishop who consecrates someone a bishop and the person who receives such a consecration from a bishop without a pontifical mandate incur an automatic “latae sententiae” excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.”?

Did You Know That . . .

Numerous articles have appeared in the media, including diocesan newspapers, about the “Catholic Church in China”? These articles were, in fact, describing the Patriotic Association Church without even mentioning it by name?

Did You Know That . . .

Many Roman Catholic missionaries returned to China and started various charitable projects at the invitation of and operating under the supervision of the Patriotic Association and the communist government?

They do not work with the Roman Catholic bishops who are still underground, but in full communion with the Pope, nor do they ask for the permission from the Roman Catholic bishops who are still underground to work in the underground dioceses?

Did You Know That . . .

There are about 50 Patriotic Association seminarians and priests studying in various seminaries across the United States?

Those seminarians are given full tuition, room and board scholarships from various seminaries?

This program is sponsored by Maryknoll on behalf of the Patriotic Association?

A number of Patriotic Association priests have been given full faculties in some Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States and are authorized to administer any Holy Sacrament to the public?

Did You Know That . . .

The Roman Catholic Church in China has been severely persecuted by the Chinese Communist Government?

Such persecution is not ancient history? It is on-going?

The persecution continues and gets worse at a time when China is given much freedom in business and finance, at a time when China is making significant economic progress, at a time when China is working hard to claim its status as an important member of the international community?

Pope Benedict XVI said in May 2007: “It must not be forgotten that many Bishops have undergone persecution and have been impeded in the exercise of their ministry, and some of them have made the Church fruitful with the shedding of their blood,”?

Did You Know That . . .

In April & May, 1996, Chinese government mobilized 5000 troops, about 30 armored cars and some helicopters in order to seal a tiny village called Dong Lu in Hebei province and to destroy a Marian shrine there?

The Statue of Holy Mary at the Marian shrine in Dong LU was confiscated?

Did You Know That . . .

Dong Lu was consecrated as the Shrine for Our Lady of China in 1932 by Pope Pius XI?

Even though the Chinese government tried to stop this annual pilgrimage to Dong Lu, over 100,000 “illegal” Roman Catholic braved the physical abuses, roadblocks, and other restrictions to pray at the shrine in May, 1995?

Holy Mother rewarded the pilgrims with a spectacular apparition on May 23, 1995? This miracle, witnessed by over 30,000 pilgrims, was certified by the Bishop of Baoding?

DongLu is the home to 40 of the 120 martyr saints canonized by Pope John Paul II in October 1, 2000?

Did You Know That . . .

In the Diocese of Baoding where Dong Lu is located, the Bishop of the diocese, Bishop Su Xhimin, was arrested in 1996, escaped, and rearrested in 1997? There has been no news about this bishop for many years? We do not know his whereabouts and if he is still alive?

Bishop Shi Enxiang, Bishop of Yixian, Hebei, was arrested on April 13, 2001? He is now more than 80 years old and has been detained for more than 6 years? We do not know his whereabouts or his conditions?

Bishop Gao Kexian, Bishop of Yantai, Shandong, was arrested in October, 1999? We did not know where he was until he died in jail in January 2005? His cause of death is unknown?

Bishop Han Dingxiang, Bishop of Yong Nian, Hebei, was arrested in December 1999, and was held in an unknown place for his last two years? He died last year in a very suspicious situation? He was not only denied a Catholic burial, but also was cremated and buried within six hours of his death without any religious ceremony?

The above are only few examples of the on-going persecution of that part of the Roman Catholic Church that is still underground in China?

re: I am also sufficiently educated to be able to discern when people have problems with the Authority granted to the Pope by God.Our greatest saints submitted to that Authority even when they disagreed with various policies....as unto God. This humility and obedience was at the core of their sainthood.

Are you telling the Chinese Catholic underground Church to obey Rome and join the PCA?

For it is a master-stroke of Satan to get Catholics to disobey the whole of Tradition in the name of obedience." (Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre)

ST. VINCENT OF LERINS (400-450 AD) CONFESSOR OF THE CHURCH

"What then should a Catholic do if some part of the Church were to separate itself from communion with the universal Faith? What other choice can he make but to prefer to the gangrenous and corrupted member the whole of the body that is sound. And if some new contagion were to try to poison no longer a small part of the Church, but all of the Church at the same time, then he will take the greatest care to attach himself to antiquity which, obviously, can no longer be seduced by any lying novelty." (Commonitorium)

re:Dr. Jean-Paul Wiest, an expert in Sino-Vatican relations based in Beijing, explained that from the beginning of the commmunist era in China, the government wanted to create a separate Catholic church without allegiance to Rome. But over the years this has not worked, he said because many of the bishops of the Patriotic Association secretly pledged their loyalty to the pope and were accepted — thus blurring the distinction the communists had sought to make. Thus, even though the episcopal ordinations are invalid, the bishops have pledged loyalty to the Church. So while the schism persists, many individuals within the schism are not guilty of apostasy, or even schism, but are heroically faithful and subversively anti-Communist.

The episcopal ordinations are every bit valid, they were just not licid. But now that the Vatican recognizes the PCA bishops they are also licid. Dr. Jean-Paul Wiest, must be a commie, a fool, or a useful idiot of the the commies. The Chinese underground Church does not recognize one PCA bishop as anything but the enemy. I'll stick with the undergraound Catholic Church's take on this. They have put their blood on the line for the faith, I doubt this so-called "expert", Jean-Paul Wiest, has ever had to even sweat.

Would you be so kind as to my posting #10.
Thanks and God Bless

dont include in your pings, I dont wish any correspondance with you.

I was responding to your posting on my thread, where you falsely accuse the writers or I of being a sedevacantes.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

From the long posting above of The Cardinal Kung Foundation:

Did You Know That . . .

There are about 50 Communist Patriotic Association seminarians and priests studying in various seminaries across the United States?

Those seminarians are given full tuition, room and board scholarships from various seminaries?

This program is sponsored by Maryknoll on behalf of the Chinese Communist Patriotic Association?

A number of Patriotic Association priests have been given full faculties in some Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States and are authorized to administer any Holy Sacrament to the public?

I will pray for you and for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Let’s leave it at that....