[K-Ben-K]

“Another version of the race.
Mormon comes in a very poor next to last, Anti-Mormon finishes a respectable second place.”

The reference to coffee should be referenced to show it happened before the Word of Wisdom was reviled. As you posted it it implies he should not have been drinking coffee. And don't say it is not important to the rest of the sentence, the "mormon coffee" people are experts at creating their Anti-Mormon rederick.

[Colofornian]

The reference to coffee should be referenced to show it happened before the Word of Wisdom was reviled.

Do tell us. Exactly how long have Mormons been 'revil'ing the Word of Wisdom? As a young man he was tried in 1826 for imposture after deceiving people that he could find buried treasure on their land by means of a seer stone?

The article gives a link to The Mormon Chapbook...and an excerpt from that article mentions: The Mormon Health law, the Word of Wisdom, was given in 1833 and forbade the drinking of alcohol. Ten years later this man had a bar built in his home and passed a law giving the mayor of Nauvoo authority to “sell or give spirits of any quantity as he in his wisdom shall judge to be for the health and comfort and convenience of [travellers]”

Hmm...wonder just who that Mormon-leader gentleman was...

Reminds me of a Q&A blurb I did one time highlighting what else this gentleman advocated: Q. "Joe, what do you recommend for a bubble-bath and post-bath herb?"

A. "Strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies. And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle..." (Feb. 27, 1833 D&C 89:7-8)

So, tell us, K-Ben-K...is D&C 89:7-8 part of your "Word of Wisdom?"

[Colofornian]

rederick.

Are you purposely tryin' to sound like a 12 yo?

Are you goin' that far to cover up your normal prose?

[For the rest of ya "rederick" = rhetoric]

[roylene]

Are you aware that Mormons drank coffee until the 20s or 30s, when they wanted to be distinguished from Christians who were tea/coffee drinkers rather than alcohol. There was no vision to stop drinking coffee, they stopped because they didn't want people to think they were Christians.

[Colofornian]

The reference to coffee should be referenced to show it happened before the Word of Wisdom was reviled

Well, that's basically what I said. Joe Smith was drinkin' coffee. He thought Emma was tryin' to poison' him. And the way to get Emma to stop makin' miserable coffee was to make the rest of Mormons miserable in the mornin, too...and just outlaw it for everyone.

What I don't understand is that if Joe kept a good reason to have hard liquor on hand (for bathing)...
...and a good reason to keep tobacca on hand (for bruises & sick cattle)...
...why didn't he come up with a reason to keep coffee around?

BTW, do you take hard-liquor baths like a good D&C89:7-8 Word of Wisdom morning. Or are you a cafeteria Mormon when it comes to the Word of Wisdom?

Do you use tobacco for bruises? Or are you a cafeteria Mormon when it comes to the Word of Wisdom?

[Godzilla]

And don't say it is not important to the rest of the sentence, the "mormon coffee" people are experts at creating their Anti-Mormon rederick.

Doesn't answer the question but attempts to misdirect to the source. Its YOUR church's history - trying to smear the messenger epically FAILS to address the point. Apparently believing the church is true is more important than the TRUTH.

[Elsie]

The reference to coffee should be referenced to show it happened before the Word of Wisdom was reviled.

Freud strikes AGAIN!

THIS is STILL in force; but it seems MORMONs really cannot READ!!

 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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Hey MORMONs!!

Winter is over: QUIT EATING MEAT!

[MHGinTN]

rederick ... define this please.

[Osage Orange]

And don't say it is not important to the rest of the sentence, the "mormon coffee" people are experts at creating their Anti-Mormon rederick.

Rederick? Whoa....Ben, you be channeling someone...